CeilingFly wrote: » Where's the story?
FTA69 wrote: » A bunch of financiers (the lads who crashed the economy), business moguls who exploit people and rob pensions (Philip Green) and a load of arsehole politicians going on the p*ss, backslapping, groping women and bidding on such classy prizes such as boob jobs to "spice up your wife." Jesus Christ like what a cesspit. If the place was bombed from the air it would have done society a service. Obviously there is a huge element of sexism here when your female staff are selected on the basis of looks to serve food and drink and are then subjected to all kinds of sleaze but as someone said earlier, the fact these characters are the top establishment figures shmoozing away is just as significant. The primary disparity in society isn't men v women, it's uber rich and powerful people like these and ordinary people. And make no mistake they're p*ssing all over the rest of us.
CrankyHaus wrote: I'd urge everyone to read the FT article in full. It's far from a hatchet job and gives balanced reporting that is still damning.
CrankyHaus wrote: » FF Barry Andrews heading Gaol
Peregrinus wrote: » You ask this question in the days of #metoo? Have you been living under a rock?
CeilingFly wrote: » Yep, have heard all this self righteous guff for all quarters. Men and women will misbehave. Some women take advantage, some men take advantage. Those who go over the line need to be pulled back, but it seems the day of flirting is gone at this stage. My own mother who in her nineties thinks its hillarious and can't understand how people can't use the word "no". Maybe she's old fashioned, but she knows women have used their sexuality to advance in many fields including the acting sphere. The world has simply gone pc mad and the sensationalist media are loving it
CrankyHaus wrote: » They were paid £150 and £25 for a cab home after. They were also given drinks. They weren't able to fully read the Non-Disclosure-Agreement they had to sign. They were required to constantly interact with the guests. This was enforced by a team from their employer who "who would tour the ballroom, prodding less active hostesses to interact with dinner guests".They were touched and propositioned throughout the night. This would be fairly sordid in any context but at a charity event associated with the great and good of UK society and institutions it's indefensible. I'd urge everyone to read the FT article in full. It's far from a hatchet job and gives balanced reporting that is still damning.
CeilingFly wrote: » but it seems the day of flirting is gone at this stage.
A Little Pony wrote: You have hen nights all over the country every weekend which involves women doing very similar or men being objectified with such events such as men dressing in waiter gear. It happens all the time.
Rory28 wrote: » Why would anyone accept this job? The groping and propositioning is completely unacceptable but hardly shocking. There is a reason they only hired pretty ladies. They must have known what this job would be which brings me back to my question. Why would anyone accept this job? I'm glad more of the scum are getting exposed tho.
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A Little Pony wrote: » Because people have bills to pay and need to put food on the table. That is part and parcel of such a job, it naturally comes with the territory. It's like being a coal man and complaining about getting dirt on you.
A Little Pony wrote: Because people have bills to pay and need to put food on the table. That is part and parcel of such a job, it naturally comes with the territory. It's like being a coal man and complaining about getting dirt on you.
Penn wrote: » A Little Pony wrote: » Because people have bills to pay and need to put food on the table. That is part and parcel of such a job, it naturally comes with the territory. It's like being a coal man and complaining about getting dirt on you. Maybe because with a male dancer at a hen party there's a reasonable expectation you'll be grabbed/groped. That seems like it's part and parcel of the job. These women were hired as waitresses/hostesses at a charity dinner. There is no reasonable expectation you'll be grabbed/groped.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » A Little Pony wrote: Because people have bills to pay and need to put food on the table. That is part and parcel of such a job, it naturally comes with the territory. It's like being a coal man and complaining about getting dirt on you. Lol. If the women were hired as escorts it wouldn't really be a problem. They were hired as wait staff. If you can't see a problem, then maybe you should have gone to specsavers
A Little Pony wrote: No, they weren't just waiters like you would see at a restaurant with the family. They are hostesses. It's not the same thing.
Roger_007 wrote: What I find hard to understand is why any women agreed to participate as 'hostesses' in this event given the 'terms and conditions ' they were asked to accept in advance. Are they really that stupid that they did not know what might ensue. If, as has been reported, many of them felt uncomfortable about what was going on, how come none of them just upped and left. Were they locked in? Most comment on this event is about the bad behaviour of the men involved but very little adverse comment about the women who went along with it.
A Little Pony wrote: » In "sexy" outfits and told to wear such outfits by the event itself, managed right from the top of whoever organized such an event. These events also do charity donations too. I can even post a link if you want.
meeeeh wrote: » A Little Pony wrote: » In "sexy" outfits and told to wear such outfits by the event itself, managed right from the top of whoever organized such an event. These events also do charity donations too. I can even post a link if you want. What's your obsession with a sexy outfit. I wear black underwear under black clothes because it makes it less visible. Women wear black mini dresses all the time and they don't expect to be groped. We are talking about something that might be a bit more of a going out outfit and not something you would wear to the office and not a thing and a couple of nipple tassels.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » The normal reasons. People who are desperate to make ends meet are more vulnerable than people with enough money.
Penn wrote: » "She reported being repeatedly fondled on her bottom, hips, stomach and legs. One guest lunged at her to kiss her. Another invited her upstairs to his room." "It was unclear why men, seated at their tables with hostesses standing close by, felt the need to hold the hands of the women, but numerous hostesses discussed instances of it through the night. For some, this was a prelude to pulling the women into their laps." "“You look far too sober,” he told her. Filling her glass with champagne, he grabbed her by the waist, pulled her in against his stomach and declared: “I want you to down that glass, rip off your knickers and dance on that table.”" If the above is your idea of flirting, yeah, for you the day of flirting is gone at this stage. Stop flirting.
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Roger_007 wrote: We all have to make ends meet but most of us do not do it at the expense of our basic principles.
Candie wrote: » Even though the story was about men groping waiting staff and getting their privates out during dinner at a men-only event, I knew it was the feminists fault all along.
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » We all have to make ends meet and some people are more desperate than others. As I said, the normal reasons. Do you think 'they were asking for it'? Or 'they new what they were doing dressing like a hussy'? What are you actually saying. Spit it out.
