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STOVES questions and answers here(see mod note in post 1)

paddy147

The amount of threads getting posted each day about stoves is unreal and taking away from other plumbing issues.

Can I suggest to the members and also the mods a dedicated "sticky" thread about stoves and nothing else.

Thanks.:)

Hi Folks. This sticky has been suggested by a regular poster and contributed to quite well. It seems to have generated a lot of interest. While advertising is not permitted under forum charter a balanced view of multiple suppliers is allowed. The rule of thumb is if you are unsure just ask. But keeping it simple and discussing the techanical details of multiple suppliers will be safe. Keep pricing out of the thread and only reply if requested to by PM -Personal message. An instant permant ban will result for breach of charter on advertising.

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lordgoat

popsy09 wrote: »

My house was built in 2007 it has a standard open fire with clay pots going up the shaft

I went to 3 places today to get a price for a 5kw insert stove the first 2 were similar 950-1000e fitted these were 2 different 5kw stoves

The third place which was selling the same stove that was 950e fitted and they wanted 1850 e as they said I would 100% have to line the chimney where as the other 2 said since I have clay pots there is no need and they have done 100s of jobs like mine

I know lining the chimney can't be a bad thing but if I don't have to I would rather keep the 900 or so euro in my pocket ..

What are peoples opinions on this

I have a similar issue. House built in 1997, Bungalow, external chimney breast, very clean. Had hardly been used. Got it cleaned and smoke tested - passed 100%. Chimney has no bends etc, straight single flue.

Right now we are looking to remove fireplace completely and put in a free standing stove. Don't want an insert stove. We've been looking a good while now and keep getting mixed info.

Some places refuse to use the existing clay flue and will only install with a stainless steel flexi-flue.

One other place refuses to use flexi-flues, saying long term they will become an issue. But also says widening the opening for the free standing stove may damage the existing chimney.

Ideally we would like a 5-7kw stove (no boiler) and a plain finish around it. Quotes have ranges from 2700 - 3300

Would love some opinions / personal experiences. Thanks.
Based in Maynooth area.

Juwwi

lordgoat wrote: »

I have a similar issue. House built in 1997, Bungalow, external chimney breast, very clean. Had hardly been used. Got it cleaned and smoke tested - passed 100%. Chimney has no bends etc, straight single flue.

Right now we are looking to remove fireplace completely and put in a free standing stove. Don't want an insert stove. We've been looking a good while now and keep getting mixed info.

Some places refuse to use the existing clay flue and will only install with a stainless steel flexi-flue.

One other place refuses to use flexi-flues, saying long term they will become an issue. But also says widening the opening for the free standing stove may damage the existing chimney.

Ideally we would like a 5-7kw stove (no boiler) and a plain finish around it. Quotes have ranges from 2700 - 3300

Would love some opinions / personal experiences. Thanks.
Based in Maynooth area.

mmccstovesandfireplaces has an offer on his site for 2500 for what you describe you want .

I used them and was happy enough with them , I got similar to what you want except we went with a black slate effect chamber in the opening .

Give him a call even for getting advice on best way to do the job,l got the impression he has been in the game a long time.

Marcus is the lad we dealt with .

Paddytheman

Hey all, So have moved into our house and have a 5kw stove in our living room, which is approx 3m x 3m. Have the stove lit all day but room barely gets above slightly warm. Have noticed insulation coming from one side of the stove, "small white pastic rubble".

The stove was installed before we bought but had never been used. ANy ideas?

Basq

Have a solid fuel stove (Heritage Dunmore) and can't help but think the output of my sister's stove (which is slightly smaller) produces a lot more heat in a similarly sized room.

I'd often be waiting over an hour for the room to properly heat up with my stove, whereas far quicker for her.

I did notice that the stove itself that she has is far smaller in terms of depth and width, so would I be able to put say loose fire bricks at the back of my stove to radiate more heat outwards or something. I just can't help but think a lot of the heat is going up the chimney or something.

gillad

Basq wrote: »

Have a solid fuel stove (Heritage Dunmore) and can't help but think the output of my sister's stove (which is slightly smaller) produces a lot more heat in a similarly sized room.

I'd often be waiting over an hour for the room to properly heat up with my stove, whereas far quicker for her.

I did notice that the stove itself that she has is far smaller in terms of depth and width, so would I be able to put say loose fire bricks at the back of my stove to radiate more heat outwards or something. I just can't help but think a lot of the heat is going up the chimney or something.

Is your stove connected to the rads and what are you burning?
same question for your sisters stove

Basq

gillad wrote: »

Is your stove connected to the rads and what are you burning?
same question for your sisters stove

Neither are connected to rads.. standalone inset stoves.

She's burning just kiln-dried wood.. I'm burning kiln-dried and coal.

gillad

Basq wrote: »

Neither are connected to rads.. standalone inset stoves.

She's burning just kiln-dried wood.. I'm burning kiln-dried and coal.

With an inset stove,the chance of loosing heat up the chimney is higher,everything is hidden so heat loss is harder to examine and fix.
Your idea about firebricks is on the right track but most of the heat goes up and i'd guess that is your problem which is hard to fix.
if the stove eventually heats the room to a good level then all is good...just slower

gillad

Paddytheman wrote: »

Hey all, So have moved into our house and have a 5kw stove in our living room, which is approx 3m x 3m. Have the stove lit all day but room barely gets above slightly warm. Have noticed insulation coming from one side of the stove, "small white pastic rubble".

The stove was installed before we bought but had never been used. ANy ideas?

I had a stove that size in a room of similar size and temps used to reach 32,i'd have to open doors to let out some heat.
is it connected to the rads?if not then the heat is going up and out the chimney
The white stuff is perlite

Dev84

Hi Folks,

Had chimney swept before Christmas and was told by the sweep that I had a crack. Sure enough when I looked up I can see the crack myself. Haven't lit the fire for obvious reasons since then.

So I have decided that I am going to get rid of the open fire and have a boiler stove fitted.The existing back boiler will need to be removed first but have been told by installers that the existing pipe work and pump can be used for the new boiler stove.The insurance will cover the cost of the chimney repair.

It's a 3 bed semi so would it be better and more cost effective just to put in a stand alone stove?

Any ball park ideas of costs involved?

Basq

gillad wrote: »

Your idea about firebricks is on the right track but most of the heat goes up and i'd guess that is your problem which is hard to fix.
if the stove eventually heats the room to a good level then all is good...just slower

Yeah.. in hindsight.. I'm thinking the increased depth in our stove is definitely affecting it.

If I'd some way to safely decrease that overall depth (at back and sides), I reckon it'd make a difference.

The problem is myself and my partner both work till 5 or 6 in the evening.. so waiting till 7 or 7.30 to get a warm room is a bit of a sickener. If we're running late and are home after 7, there's not a massive amount of point in lighting it.

Dev84

Has anyone any reviews on fire doors for an existing back boiler? Do they work well?

Just looking at them (deville , boru) fraction of the price and can be fitted diy fairly handy.

Shefwedfan

Dev84 wrote: »

Has anyone any reviews on fire doors for an existing back boiler? Do they work well?

Just looking at them (deville , boru) fraction of the price and can be fitted diy fairly handy.

Now this is not technical or anything.

I talked to a few people, they said the issue was most of the heat is lost up the chimney, the fire door does not stop this so its not really solving the problem.....

Mickeroo

We had a sttratford eb12 insert installed and we're happy with it for the most part, it heats the rads very well and sems pretty efficient. It doesn't heat the room all that much though, it's generally just about comfotable but any talk of having to leave the door open to let the heat out was way off the mark. most evenings the OH would still need a blanket over her lap for example.

My parents have a free standing stanley boiler stove and the performance of our insert is actually better than that. So is it the norm for boilers not to throw out all that much heat to the room?

gillad

Mickeroo wrote: »

So is it the norm for boilers not to throw out all that much heat to the room?

Yes..Most of the heat goes to the rads.
I had a 6kw freestanding non boiler and the heat was too much,so had to open doors to cool down the room,temps over 30.

I now have a 12kw free standing boiler stove.I have a rad in the same room as the boiler and it is always on....if i turned off the rad, the room would be just warm but not cosy warm.

A nonboiler free standing stove is the best way to heat a single room.

fallen01angel

Hi All,
After a lot of looking around I've pretty much decided on buying an inset cassette stove called the Scandinavisk A500,just wondering has anyone here got any experience of having one of these? I haven't found any reviews of them. It's a wood burning stove,looks great but I'd really love to hear peoples opinions on how they find them?

Paddytheman

gillad wrote: »

I had a stove that size in a room of similar size and temps used to reach 32,i'd have to open doors to let out some heat.
is it connected to the rads?if not then the heat is going up and out the chimney
The white stuff is perlite

No not connected to the rads, its just to heat the room. Is there anything obvious that could be missing i can try and correct myself?

gillad

Paddytheman wrote: »

No not connected to the rads, its just to heat the room. Is there anything obvious that could be missing i can try and correct myself?

I presume its an inset stove.
What are you burning?...to get the most(5kw)from your stove,you nee to have a good fire burning constantly like a raging coal fire.

The heat must be going somewhere...is the room/house insulated well?

Barr

What is the most efficient fuel type to burn in a stove , some seem to come in wood burning only whereas others are multi-fuel ?

rpmcs

gillad wrote:

I presume its an inset stove. What are you burning?...to get the most(5kw)from your stove,you nee to have a good fire burning constantly like a raging coal fire.

I would suggest that telling some one to out on raging fire is bad advise.
Reason being if the chimney draught is high then the stove could be over fired and damage the stove internally and also over Heat the flue and cause serious damage the flue.
Also if high draught is an issue then this could explain the heat being sucked up chimney .

My advise would be to put on a good fire but then then control the burn rate by turning down air controls till you have nice rolling flame rather than an anger flame firing up chimney.
Just my thoughts.

gillad

rpmcs wrote: »

I would suggest that telling some one to out on raging fire is bad advise.
Reason being if the chimney draught is high then the stove could be over fired and damage the stove internally and also over Heat the flue and cause serious damage the flue.
Also if high draught is an issue then this could explain the heat being sucked up chimney .

My advise would be to put on a good fire but then then control the burn rate by turning down air controls till you have nice rolling flame rather than an anger flame firing up chimney.
Just my thoughts.

Yes.A raging fire is the wrong description but stoves are designed and recommended to have good strong fires burning.
Getting a raging fire going is a good way to figure out the total heat output of your stove but should be done gradually over a few days(a bigger fire every day) if you are unsure or nervous.

Basq

Balls.. loads of stove paint burned off overnight:

Stove is over 2 years old.

Any idea why would this have happened overnight, and also would some black stove paint just be enough to sort it?

Shefwedfan

Basq wrote: »

Balls.. loads of stove paint burned off overnight:

Stove is over 2 years old.

Any idea why would this have happened overnight, and also would some black stove paint just be enough to sort it?

Seen stove paint around, quick check in goodwins and they have spray paint but I know I seen can before.

https://www.goodwins.ie/products/everbuild-heat-resistant-stove-paint-matt-black-400ml-2359050.html?name=stove+paint&type=simple

I had something similar before, I had loaded the fire with coal before going to bed, I took it that it got too hot....could be wrong....also could be just wear & tear

gillad

Basq wrote: »

Balls.. loads of stove paint burned off overnight:

Stove is over 2 years old.

Any idea why would this have happened overnight, and also would some black stove paint just be enough to sort it?

very windy last night which would have increased the draw

Basq

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Seen stove paint around, quick check in goodwins and they have spray paint but I know I seen can before.

Yep, I'll check Homeland / Connacht Gold at weekend as think I've seen it there too.

gillad wrote: »

very windy last night which would have increased the draw

Yeah, true enough... though it managed just fine during Ophelia and Fionn lately. Literally all burned off overnight.

Ah well, I'll put it down to a one-off and repaint over weekend.

irishproduce

On the subject of the insert cassette stoves, is there anything to be mindful of when looking to clean one of these?
I am gonna have one installed, into an original open fireplace (Gatherer/ Lentil height and all that is sufficient) but I am wondering, how does one go about cleaning the chimney flue once the thing is in?

Dev84

Hey,

Anyone got a review for the 18kw vitae boiler stove?

Will be getting chimney lined , new fireplace, existing back boiler removed and stove plumbed to existing pipe work.

Have got a quote for 4k.

clfy39tzve8njq

Hi I have a standard fire opening with the fireback removed. Is there any stove that would fit into that space (not an insert) or would I need to enlarge it. Thanks.

Mickeroo

Amiyah Substantial Zipper wrote: »

Hi I have a standard fire opening with the fireback removed. Is there any stove that would fit into that space (not an insert) or would I need to enlarge it. Thanks.

Something like this might suit:: https://www.stovax.com/stove-fire/stockton-wood-multi-fuel-stoves/stockton-3/

Villan11

I have a Stanley Oisin inset into my fireplace without much issue, had to get some of area replastered when the fireplace came out. I was recommended to use use sand and cement with a small bit of lime, presumably due to the heat. Will send a pic if it helps...

Amiyah Substantial Zipper wrote: »

Hi I have a standard fire opening with the fireback removed. Is there any stove that would fit into that space (not an insert) or would I need to enlarge it. Thanks.

clfy39tzve8njq

Villan11 wrote:

I have a Stanley Oisin inset into my fireplace without much issue, had to get some of area replastered when the fireplace came out. I was recommended to use use sand and cement with a small bit of lime, presumably due to the heat. Will send a pic if it helps...

Thanks and is your opening standard and not enlarged. A pic would be great.