JRant wrote: » Unfortunately they are starting to lose the PR battle with that memo leak. It's almost like they just can't help themselves. With the support they had for DACA there was absolutely no need to circulate a message like that.
These people are not refugees, they are for all intents and purposes Americans, raised in the United States. I think you'd be surprised what Irish people would think if the government decided they were going to deport thousands of people who were raised here for no good reason.
Manic Moran wrote: » I believe it's this one.http://thegatewaypundit.com/2018/01/leaked-memo-daca-recipients-critical-democrats-future-electoral-success/ There was one on the other side which apparently came out yesterday too.https://www.axios.com/leaked-doc-the-administrations-take-on-immigration-deal-1516365044-f93c1935-8a28-4d47-9322-8cd841162ba4.html
demfad wrote: » What memo leak? The memo was concocted by Trump shill Devin Nunes. He wont even show it to the FBI. When he releases it in a few weeks it will be a major embarrassment to himself and the GOP, just like his 'unmasking' fiasco was.
StringerBell wrote: » Senate has reached some compromise to end the shutdown I see on CNN, Fate of the Dreamers to be addressed "immediately" is a quote they have attributed to Schumer. Doesn't seem to actually be anything of substance though, nothing on paper, nothing set in stone. You would worry it has been a pointless "stand" The initial feeling is that they have bottled it, this will actually split the Democrats by the looks of it.
oscarBravo wrote: » Depending how it pans out, it could turn out to have been a good strategy. If there's a joint statement from Schumer and McConnell to the effect that the Dreamer issue will be dealt with satisfactorily in due course, then the Democrats will be seen to have held out on a point of principle, but not to the point of bloody-mindedness that the Republicans have done in the past. At that point, the pressure is on the GOP to actually deliver on whatever they've promised. If they don't, they've handed the DNC the perfect excuse for refusing to budge when the next impasse rolls around.
jobbridge4life wrote: » Aren't they still left at the mercy of Trump though? And the WH has just said he won't sign the Graham-Durbin compromise. So that will leave the Dreamers with 17 days before they are subject to deportation. I'm leaning strongly to the folded to early side of the fence here. Hope I'm wrong.
everlast75 wrote: » Just 3 chapters from the end of Wolff's book and Bannon is actually coming across as something approaching likeable!??!?!
Manic Moran wrote: » I believe it's this one.http://thegatewaypundit.com/2018/01/leaked-memo-daca-recipients-critical-democrats-future-electoral-success/ There was one on the other side which apparently came out yesterday too.https://www.axios.com/leaked-doc-the-administrations-take-on-immigration-deal-1516365044-f93c1935-8a28-4d47-9322-8cd841162ba4.html True, and, like most of the US population, I'm in favour of giving them a permanent status as well, although unlike the Democrats, I do believe that significant effort must be made to close the Southern border. However, until that happens, note that the "D" in "DACA" stands for "Deferred", as in, "put off until a later date", and is not to be inferred as guaranteeing anything at all. That later date, right now, appears to be March. Again, here's the reality of electoral politics aside of the human cost. This DACA stance is playing very nicely in areas where folks are going to vote for the Democrats anyway. It's going to reinforce the Republican-leaning folks, maybe undoing some of the Trump damage. Given that the polling is 54% to 34% nationwide saying "DACA should not / should be a reason to shut down the government", I suspect it's going to be doing more harm than good in the swing states. It seems to me that the Democrats are playing for funding. They have cash cows in areas like San Francisco and Seattle. DACA allows them to build their war chest, in the hopes that the money they get can be used to overturn any sentiment swing in the swing states.
Stheno wrote: » Could someone explain what's going on in relation to the dreamers? Does their right to stay in the US end soon if there is no change in legislation? Thanks
jobbridge4life wrote: » On March 5/6 if there is no legislative act (or executive order) Dreamers become subject to deportation in the same way as any other illegal immigrant.
Stheno wrote: » Is that due to an executive order Trump signed a few months ago?
Professor Moriarty wrote: » I think I read recently that Trump gave a six month stay on legislation and this stay is due to expire soon.Here you go.
Pepefrogok wrote: » I am as right-wing as they come but I agree that DACA needs settled, can't send people who have spent their whole lives there "home" but this must be done as a compromise on border security and chain migration! Can't just allow the same problem to build up every few years, though I don't think it would be to controversial to say the democrats would like the votes it brings, their own recent memo makes this clear.
jobbridge4life wrote: » Schumer offered full funding for 'the Wall', funding for improved border security elsewise. There was almost full capitulation from the Democrats and Trump still refused it. What about someone who migrated extra-legally at 18 and has lived, worked, contributed, in the US for decades? Do they not also deserve some degree of protection? Of recognition.
Pepefrogok wrote: » Any links to support full funding for the wall being offered? And yes, ibwould support people who were brought in without choice by their parents and have spent a lifetime there, but I have no sympathy for people who broke the law by their own violation.every country, not just America need immigration laws.
