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omg Spal equalise

Im really worried about Inter and the CL spots now

dor83

Such an awful OG but we'll take it, now can we score another or at least keep a clean sheet, I'm not sure about either.

dor83

The whole attack has been useless today so something needs to change, maybe Eder and Rafinha on for Perisic and Brozo. I don't get why he put Cancelo on the left, he was playing well on the right and D'Ambrosio could play left or just play Naga.

FCIM

Disgusting first half performance. The most worrying thing is that even during this recent bad spell the system have still appeared to be in place. Today they look like they've never played together.

I feel sorry for Nagatomo. His performances have been good recently but he seems to have fallen out of all favour with Spalletti even when Santon has been horrendous and even today Cancelo looks like a fish out of water and is certainly out of position.

dor83

SPAL v Inter is the early match today, I'm hopeful that Inter can get win today to end the poor run of results but not overly confident. Line-ups are:

SPAL: Meret; Cionek, Vicari, Felipe; Lazzari, Schiattarella, Viviani, Grassi, Mattiello; Kurtic; Antenucci
Bench: Gomis, Marchegiani, Cremonesi, Bonazzoli, Floccari, Vaisanen, Salamon, Vitale, Guimaraes, Costa, Paloschi, Drame

Inter: Handanovic; Cancelo, Skriniar, Miranda, D’Ambrosio; Vecino, Borja Valero; Candreva, Brozovic, Perisic; Icardi
Bench: Padelli, Berni, Lisandro Lopez, Gagliardini, Rafinha, Ranocchia, Karamoh, Santon, Eder, Dalbert, Pinamonti, Nagatomo

Mr.Nice Guy

Dzeko got a stoppage time equaliser for Roma against Sampdoria. Quagliarella had scored the opener from the penalty spot. Wonder if that's Dzeko's last involvement in a Roma shirt.

dor83

FCIM wrote: »

Everything but everything in terms of attacking play is channeled through him.......

The reason everything is channelled through him is because no other player in the squad scores goals so we have to rely on him and the other attacking players around him aren't good enough so they can't even do their job and create the chances for him. Icardi scores a goal every 3.4 shots and that was 2.7 before the poor run, that is an incredible conversion rate when it takes most other top forwards around the 5-6 mark, if the rest of the attacking players were doing their job and providing him with more chances he'd be scoring more but they are not. You talk about him not leaving the box but when he does then none of the other players go in there so that area is empty, we need a player who will play the trequartista role and fill the empty space when he does leave the box plus they will help link the rest of the midfield to him. I don't think he would be suited to Real unless they change the way they play because they are currently set up to provide Ronaldo not the CF, the same reason I think Benzema is under rated by them. I would say that if Icardi was in Joses Inter side he would be perfect and score even more than Milito did.

ERG89

Rekop dog wrote:

He's definitely behind Higuain and Aguero and Dybala for a striking birth for me anyway. And Argentine coach prefers Benedetto too.

I'd genuinely trust him more with taking a chance than those 4 though.
Theuy scored half of Inter's league goals too.

Rekop dog

He's definitely behind Higuain and Aguero and Dybala for a striking birth for me anyway. And Argentine coach prefers Benedetto too.

FCIM

dor83 wrote: »

Calling Icardi average at best is crazy, you don't score that many goals in what has been an average Inter side without being a very good player. His shots per goal and shot accuracy are both excellent but he simply has no support, Candreva is a good crosser but that's about it and Perisic is an average player imo, I thought he should have been sold in the summer and still can't understand why Man Utd wanted him. In a better team with more support Icardi would be even better than he has been and if it wasn't for his goals we'd be much further down the table.

Everything but everything in terms of attacking play is channeled through him. Why shouldn't he score as much as he does if every attacking ball is put in in search of him? His play is limited to the area and is a huge part of what makes Inter so predictable. I'd love to see that heat map thing on his movement during a match. He barely moves out of that centre of the area position. Of course he's going to score a lot as against the amount of shots he gets in that position, he plays 95% of every match in a prime position to score. He rarely goes searching for the ball, he rarely plays another player into position. If you ask me, he's a large part of why Inter are so average. I'd bet anyone that if he moves to Real Madrid we won't be talking of him in any greater terms than people talk of Benzema in five years time. I see in him an Ian Rush of the present era, the difference is Ian Rush played in different times. His rating as a superb player is a precise example of how statistics are a horrendous addition to football; they're better suited to American sport where a player is expected to move once every year and a half, not to football where there are far more intricacies to the game than scoring goals. Days have moved on since the Linekers of this world were considered top notch; look at Messi, tons of goals but also tons of assists and a lot of a lot of other things too. I'm not saying Icardi has to be even close to Messi, who is an alien, to be considered good, just that simply getting into good positions, making a team dependant on you, and scoring a lot isn't enough anymore.

dor83

Calling Icardi average at best is crazy, you don't score that many goals in what has been an average Inter side without being a very good player. His shots per goal and shot accuracy are both excellent but he simply has no support, Candreva is a good crosser but that's about it and Perisic is an average player imo, I thought he should have been sold in the summer and still can't understand why Man Utd wanted him. In a better team with more support Icardi would be even better than he has been and if it wasn't for his goals we'd be much further down the table.

irishman86

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Defoe I needed a good laugh!

Why

hes obviously a better player, but thats a apt comparison
Which player arent you familiar with?
Im guessing Icardi

KERSPLAT!

Defoe

I needed a good laugh!

KERSPLAT!

His goal scoring, for an average side, is beyond belief. Average he definitely is not. Whether he'd do as well in a better team with others taking their own chances I don't know but at Inter he's a fantastic striker and the only thing keeping them in contention of a CL place.

irishman86

FCIM wrote: »

I don't think anything pulls at your emotions as much as football. Everything for me was black until Vecino's equaliser. Now, with Rafinha coming in, I'm not happy but there's a glimmer of optimism. The Zhangs need to do one of two things though. Either back Spalletti and to hell with the FFP, as PSG have done, and to hell with Beijing, or start looking for what they've been after since they came in; a big Middle Eastern buyout and a huge profit. Chinese owners are showing they only want to do things on the cheap, and I swear if they don't sign up Cancelo in the summer I'll turn against them even more than I am now. I must be the only person in the world though who sees Icardi as an average, at best, centre forward. If the team isn't going well he offers absolutely nothing. That was OK in the days of Ian Rush where a forward was judged solely on his goals but nowadays forwards need to offer more. I can't believe there's even a question over Benzema plus cash if Real are serious about it.

You arent, hes Defoe of Argentina
Even in Argentina hes not that rated, ignoring why hes hated for the obvious reasons
The only people who want him in the starting lineup are the ignorant people over there

FCIM

I don't think anything pulls at your emotions as much as football. Everything for me was black until Vecino's equaliser. Now, with Rafinha coming in, I'm not happy but there's a glimmer of optimism. The Zhangs need to do one of two things though. Either back Spalletti and to hell with the FFP, as PSG have done, and to hell with Beijing, or start looking for what they've been after since they came in; a big Middle Eastern buyout and a huge profit. Chinese owners are showing they only want to do things on the cheap, and I swear if they don't sign up Cancelo in the summer I'll turn against them even more than I am now. I must be the only person in the world though who sees Icardi as an average, at best, centre forward. If the team isn't going well he offers absolutely nothing. That was OK in the days of Ian Rush where a forward was judged solely on his goals but nowadays forwards need to offer more. I can't believe there's even a question over Benzema plus cash if Real are serious about it.

Jim Bob Scratcher

pm1977x wrote: »

Roma really brought that on themselves sitting so deep and playing for the 1-0 without any effort to push forward, momentum with Inter now but still well capable of throwing it away.

Then they start playing decent again after they concede, the mind boggles

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Roma got what they deserved.

Such negative tactics

I sound like a broken record but how is Di Francesco still Roma manager...

pm1977x

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

It was only a matter of time

Roma really brought that on themselves sitting so deep and playing for the 1-0 without any effort to push forward, momentum with Inter now but still well capable of throwing it away.