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Hyundai i30 tourer.

patsyrockem

Hi there, I am considering buying the i30 tourer, the scrappage deal is attractive because I have a very old car. I am finding it difficult to decide whether to go for the 1 litre turbo petrol engine or 1.6 diesel. I drive 20 miles each way to work, half of which is on motorway so I probably don't do enough mileage to warrant buying a diesel. I have always driven a petrol car and have always considered diesel cars hard work. That probably comes from the old diesel cars with the smoke covered boot and is probably out of date now. I am worried that the 1 litre is very small and would struggle if the car was full or the boot was loaded. Would it be strong enough to pull a small trailer? Is a 1 litre engine small for motorway driving. Looking for advice from the people on here who knows about this stuff. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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Nuw

Because of the turbo, the petrol should be well able in the type of driving you do. It won't be fast by any means, but adequate. Maybe you can arrange a test drive of both and see which one you prefer? I've no first hand experience of that particular unit but there's no reason it wouldn't be up for the job me thinks.

colm_mcm

Whats the price drop difference? What’s your annual mileage? NCT disc is good for checking this.

Neither the petrol or diesel would be hard work. The 1.0 would be plenty powerful by the way.

AMKC

There is a new fastback version of the i30 out in January as well. Some differences to it compared to the hatch and tourer. Its front grill is different for instance and some other parts too. Just if you would prefer a saloon style car and not an estate style or maybe you are happy with the estate style.

colm_mcm

I think the fastback is a weird move for Hyundai. As it stands I think only the Octavia uses that body style in that class. Hyundai persisted with this for ages with the likes of the Accent and the Elantra and finally realised 10 years ago that people mostly buy regular hatchbacks. I can't see it being a success, but maybe they'll make a comeback since BMW Audi and Mercedes are doing (mostly ugly) fastbacks.

bazz26

The BMW 3 Series GT (fastback) never sold well for BMW. If referring to the likes of the 4 Series GC, Merc CLA or A5 SP then they are 4 door based on coupes as opposed to fastbacks which are just a hatchback with a sloping rear quarter and/or frameless windows.

Toyota used to sell a Corolla fastback decades ago called the Sprinter but that ended up costing nearly the same as the bigger Carina so sales were very limited. I can see this i30 fastback going the same way. Cannot see too many people paying a premium for them or anyone paying a premium for one second hand. The styling also looks awkward from the side, looks like it was crushed to fit a certain length.

AMKC

colm_mcm wrote: »

I think the fastback is a weird move for Hyundai. As it stands I think only the Octavia uses that body style in that class. Hyundai persisted with this for ages with the likes of the Accent and the Elantra and finally realised 10 years ago that people mostly buy regular hatchbacks. I can't see it being a success, but maybe they'll make a comeback since BMW Audi and Mercedes are doing (mostly ugly) fastbacks.

It is strange alright but they must think there is demand out there for this and the hatchback and they are big enough to do both. They are certainly advertising it a lot so it might be a success.

bazz26 wrote: »

The BMW 3 Series GT (fastback) never sold well for BMW. If referring to the likes of the 4 Series GC, Merc CLA or A5 SP then they are 4 door based on coupes as opposed to fastbacks which are just a hatchback with a sloping rear quarter and/or frameless windows.

Toyota used to sell a Corolla fastback decades ago called the Sprnter but that ended up costing nearly the same as the bigger Carina so sales were very limited. I can see this i30 fastback going the same way. Cannot see too many people paying a premium for them or anyone paying a premium for one second hand. The styling also looks awkward from the side, looks like it was crushed to fit a certain length.

It does look a bit like that alright. Maybe in the metal it will look better. I think it might have looked better if it had of been an SUV but they have that with the Tucson. Maybe there is a demand for it out there. Does it cost much more than the Hatchback?

patsyrockem

I Would be doing about 17000 miles a year, i am probably worried about the versatility of the 1.0 litre. To be honest the scrappage deal is swaying me from buying a new or good second hand toyota. Am i right in thinking i am getting more for my money with the hyundai?

colm_mcm

Yes, warranty is longer on Hyundai too.
For 17000 miles a year, I'd go diesel.

Do you need an estate though?

patsyrockem

colm_mcm wrote: »

Yes, warranty is longer on Hyundai too.
For 17000 miles a year, I'd go diesel.

Do you need an estate though?

I have a couple of small children so I would imagine I will need the extra space for all the gear that comes with them. Would it be correct to say that the 1.6 diesel would be cheaper to run and be a lot more versatile, ie carrying extra loads or pulling a trailer. Thanks for all the help, I am out of my comfort zone when dealing with cars.

AMKC

bazz26 wrote: »

The BMW 3 Series GT (fastback) never sold well for BMW. If referring to the likes of the 4 Series GC, Merc CLA or A5 SP then they are 4 door based on coupes as opposed to fastbacks which are just a hatchback with a sloping rear quarter and/or frameless windows.

Toyota used to sell a Corolla fastback decades ago called the Sprinter but that ended up costing nearly the same as the bigger Carina so sales were very limited. I can see this i30 fastback going the same way. Cannot see too many people paying a premium for them or anyone paying a premium for one second hand. The styling also looks awkward from the side, looks like it was crushed to fit a certain length.

After seeing one in the metal it actually looks very good and has been getting good reviews too. Yes its costs a bit more than the hatch but that is because Hyundai have lowered and stiffened the suspension on it and made it drive better they have also uped the quality inside a bit.

colm_mcm

The one thing that would put me off the i30 estate is the fact that the Gardai are using them. This will have an effect on resale value. You could look at it's sister car the Kia Ceed.

The diesel would usually do better mpg than the petrol alright. These new fangled small capacity petrols have a habit of being a lot less efficient outside of ideal conditions.

kerten

colm_mcm wrote: »

The one thing that would put me off the i30 estate is the fact that the Gardai are using them. This will have an effect on resale value. You could look at it's sister car the Kia Ceed.

The diesel would usually do better mpg than the petrol alright. These new fangled small capacity petrols have a habit of being a lot less efficient outside of ideal conditions.

Isn't Ceed due to be replaced with a new model soon and i30 is a brand new model just arrived.

I like Ceed but it should have a pretty good discount to buy brand new at this point.

colm_mcm

That's true, the current model is out since 2012, the i30 is indeed new.

bazz26

Have the Gardai got the new model?

colm_mcm

No, I don't think I've ever seen them with the new ones.

Negates my earlier comment.

grogi

bazz26 wrote: »

The BMW 3 Series GT (fastback) never sold well for BMW. If referring to the likes of the 4 Series GC, Merc CLA or A5 SP then they are 4 door based on coupes as opposed to fastbacks which are just a hatchback with a sloping rear quarter and/or frameless windows.

3gt does not sell because is plain ugly. 4gc is as fastback as 3gt, but looks much better - and it sells.

What one is based on is really irrelevant, what is important is what it is. A nice car with massive boot that easy to access.

Rapid, Octavia, Mondeo - there clearly is demand for them.

grogi

colm_mcm wrote: »

The one thing that would put me off the i30 estate is the fact that the Gardai are using them. This will have an effect on resale value. You could look at it's sister car the Kia Ceed.

The diesel would usually do better mpg than the petrol alright. These new fangled small capacity petrols have a habit of being a lot less efficient outside of ideal conditions.

And they provoke to more engaged driving... I have averaged almost 9l with this engine in a i20...

patsyrockem

I test drove the i30 1.0l turbo today, nice car to drive and more zip than i had expected for a 1 litre engine. The only thing that i noticed was the rev counter was up around 2500 rpm even after changing gear. Excuse my ignorance but does this mean the engine is working too hard or is it not an issue. Otherwise i was fairly impressed. Was more comfortable than i expected.

colm_mcm

Rpm isn’t really proportional to how hard the engine is working. If you’re used to diesel it may seem weird to you, but petrols generally will rev higher than diesel.

patsyrockem

Thanks Colm, I have piece of mind now. The delivery/extra charges are the only thing annoying me now:mad:

colm_mcm

Are they charging a grand for delivery?

patsyrockem

Difference between price on hyundai website and dealer is approx 2k.:mad: I would love to see the breakdown. Am i getting fleeced because i am availing of the scrappage deal. Taking the good out of it to be honest.

colm_mcm

Quite possibly. Obviously metallic paint is extra, but. €2k for the two is a bit rich. Ring around a few dealers.

Lantus

With 2k between the engines at your mileage it could be 3 or 4 years before you break even on fuel savings. That assumes diesel remains cheaper than petrol which seems unlikely.

Edit: you put miles not km for mileage. This would put you nearer the diesel for fuel costs. Best run the numbers to be sure.