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The Kerry Babies Case

irishguitarlad

What do you think of it? As the son of an Abbeydorney woman I take an interest in it as I kept on hearing about it growing up. I reckon the gardaí were covering up for someone when they blamed Joanna Hayes. Anyways, what's your opinion?

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padd b1975

Laois_Man wrote: »

Really, all this hullabaloo over an apolagy - I get the distinct feeling that Joanne Hayes would rather have done without any apolagy than it be all over the news again.

I also see in the news this morning, Gerry O'Carroll, one of the original investigating detectives, in an interview with The Kerryman newspaper this week, is still not accepting the DNA results, wants the bodies of both babies exhumed and further DNA profiling carried out by a foreign police force and only then will he accept that Joanne Hayes is not the mother of birth babies. Absolute tool-bag!

Dig up Gerry!

Laois_Man

Really, all this hullabaloo over an apolagy - I get the distinct feeling that Joanne Hayes would rather have done without any apolagy than it be all over the news again.

I also see in the news this morning, Gerry O'Carroll, one of the original investigating detectives, in an interview with The Kerryman newspaper this week, is still not accepting the DNA results, wants the bodies of both babies exhumed and further DNA profiling carried out by a foreign police force and only then will he accept that Joanne Hayes is not the mother of birth babies. Absolute tool-bag!

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Harry Palmr wrote: »

Mindboggling case - blood types don't match, Hayes lived 50 miles away, Gardai citing the likelihood of pregnant simultaneously by two different men. Imagine if that were true (very rare occurrence) to suggest Hayes would travel the length of the county to kill one of two babies and dispose of it there is just nuts. No DNA work done so the whole thing relied on a clearly unreliable "confession".

I think the suggestion was the Cahersiveen child was washed in by tides and was thrown into the sea in Kerryhead, much nearer Abbeydorney.

Still doesn't make sense why someone would use 2 different methods to dispose of the bodies.

Harry Palmr

Mindboggling case - blood types don't match, Hayes lived 50 miles away, Gardai citing the likelihood of pregnant simultaneously by two different men. Imagine if that were true (very rare occurrence) to suggest Hayes would travel the length of the county to kill one of two babies and dispose of it there is just nuts. No DNA work done so the whole thing relied on a clearly unreliable "confession".

Huexotzingo

Retired garda believes Joanne Hayes had twins, calls for exhumation

:rolleyes::mad:

irishguitarlad

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But why would they need to blame someone else to cover it up? Wouldn't the obvious thing be to just not find out who killed the child in Cahersiveen? Indeed blaming another would carry the obvious problem that the other person might and will fight it.

I think they just got very locked into an erroneous solution. It is the way investigations by police forces go across the world, they don't have blank canvasses that are coloured in as things proceed, they form conclusions along the way and investigations are then skewed by human nature and the desire to go that way. Ian Bailey, Steven Avery and on and on and on, investigations are not scientific processes but very subjective ones.

Yeah I think you could be right there O Conor. I see where there is this ex gardaí that keeps saying she was impregnated by two different men at the same time, like this guy is convinced.

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Gards job is to put someone behind bars. At the end of the day it doesn't matter who, as long as they get to pat themselves on the back.

Hector Bellend

Another for the list of gardai screw ups.

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irishguitarlad wrote: »

I reckon the gardaí were covering up for someone when they blamed Joanna Hayes.

But why would they need to blame someone else to cover it up? Wouldn't the obvious thing be to just not find out who killed the child in Cahersiveen? Indeed blaming another would carry the obvious problem that the other person might and will fight it.

I think they just got very locked into an erroneous solution. It is the way investigations by police forces go across the world, they don't have blank canvasses that are coloured in as things proceed, they form conclusions along the way and investigations are then skewed by human nature and the desire to go that way. Ian Bailey, Steven Avery and on and on and on, investigations are not scientific processes but very subjective ones.

Day Lewin

The cops have a bad habit of jumping to an assumption, and then refusing to let go of it, whatever the evidence or lack of evidence.
(This wasn't the only crime where that has happened.)

It's hard to know how they "could have" or "should have" investigated this distressing case: but they certainly should have let go of the Ms. Hayes angle once they found the body of her stillborn baby.

I'm still wondering how the existence of Baby no. 1, the murdered one, was kept a secret - no suspicious neighbours, no anxious family? We don't even know where he died...such a tragedy.

diomed

I think the Gardai are very good at solving crimes.
However, their solution is often made up.