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Can a Christian vote for unlimited abortion?

I don't believe that a Christian can morally vote for unlimited abortion.

The Sixth Commandment is very simple and very clear ... 'Thou shalt not kill'.

It means that you cannot kill yourself or another Human Being, except in self defence (or the defence of another Human Being) where no other option is available.
This is the basis for all laws protecting the person and criminalising the killing of other people in Common Law Jurisprudence.

Induced abortion is ethically and morally wrong ... except where the life of the mother is directly threatened and there is no other option available to save her.

This is the current law in Ireland.

Voting to expand Irish Law to allow the unlimited killing of unborn children is not something that any Christian (or other monotheist, indeed) can do in conscience and in clear contravention of the Sixth Commandment of God.

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Jesus is not a prophet, He is the Son of God.

mach1982 wrote:

God the Father is the God of Abraham and Issac.(matthew 22 :32)

Correct. But in Jesus He revealed His trinitarian nature

Je_suis_Jean wrote:

Regardless, let's assume they leave it to their death bed to genuinely repent, are they forgiven and welcomed into the glorious kingdom or not?

Yes of course.

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

God is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. There is no other God.

I think you need read the Bible again.

God the Father is the God of Abraham and Issac.(matthew 22 :32)

God wrote:

32 ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’[a]? He is not the God of the dead but of the living.”

He promised the Jews he would send a Massiah, we as Christians believe that Jesus is the promised Massiah. In Islam, Mohomed is a Prophet, not a God, just like if you read my link Jesus is regarded as a Prophet in Islam.

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

Why would you vote yes and then go to confession soon after? I don't think that would be a genuine confession.

Don't people go to confession shortly after they have sinned all the time?

Regardless, let's assume they leave it to their death bed to genuinely repent, are they forgiven and welcomed into the glorious kingdom or not?

keano_afc wrote: »

"Every human embryologist in the world knows that the life of the new individual HUMAN BEING begins at fertilisation. It is not belief, it is scientific fact". Ward Kishcer, University of Arizona.

Exactly, I think we're finally making progress here. Fertilisation is off course where human life starts, who could possibly argue that point?

Can you quote where Ward Kishcer states than a newly fertilized embryo IS a human being rather than the start of something which may eventually become a human being?

YFlyer wrote:

Plenty of Christians for the death penalty.

Christians cannot vote for the death penalty.

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

Why don't you address the question I asked? Can a christian who had educated himself/herself on the issue of abortion and votes in favour of unlimited abortion (for whatever reasons you may not be able to comprehend) but later genuinely respents be forgiven by god or not?

They might do so ... but they will have blood on their hands ... and the damage they permit to be done by their actions can never be undone.

Here is the story of a man who once directed the largest abortion facility in the world ... who stopped and became a pro-life advocate.

Here is the man himself on his deathbed ... a man Saved by God despite being directly responsible for 75.000 abortions

There is nobody who can't be Saved ... but the damage they have done cannot be undone ... and they have to live with that.

Bubbaclaus wrote:

That's unfortunate for you, as you follow the exact same god. Are you claiming you follow a false god?

Bubbaclaus wrote:

Seek forgiveness now or you will not be allowed enter his kingdom.

I told you that God is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. There is no other God. Do you hear me?

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

Unfortunately, Muslims follow a false God, and will receive their just reward.

That's unfortunate for you, as you follow the exact same god. Are you claiming you follow a false god?

Seek forgiveness now or you will not be allowed enter his kingdom.

Je_suis_Jean wrote:

Cool, that finally answers the OPs question ie "YES" christians can indeed vote in favour of unlimited abortion safe in the knowledge that providing they go to confession or whatever soon after and genuinely repent, including saying the three hail mary's they'll likely get for punishment (I always found the concept of being told to say prayers as a form of punishment a bit odd) then all will be hunky dory all round and a Win Win for everyone.

Why would you vote yes and then go to confession soon after? I don't think that would be a genuine confession.

LeeroyJ. wrote:

Well good thing i am an atheist and can vote for autonomy and a fundamental human right. And i sincerely hope there are enough other people that can distance themselves from religious BS and make a decision without basing it on fairytales so we can stop exporting our females to other jurisdictions so they can get basic treatment.

You already have made your choice.

J C wrote: »

I don't believe that a Christian can morally vote for unlimited abortion.

The Sixth Commandment is very simple and very clear ... 'Thou shalt not kill'.

It means that you cannot kill yourself or another Human Being, except in self defence (or the defence of another Human Being) where no other option is available.
This is the basis for all laws protecting the person and criminalising the killing of other people in Common Law Jurisprudence.

Induced abortion is ethically and morally wrong ... except where the life of the mother is directly threatened and there is no other option available to save her.

This is the current law in Ireland.

Voting to expand Irish Law to allow the unlimited killing of unborn children is not something that any Christian (or other monotheist, indeed) can do in conscience and in clear contravention of the Sixth Commandment of God.

Plenty of Christians for the death penalty.

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

Yes, of course he will be forgiven.

Cool, that finally answers the OPs question ie "YES" christians can indeed vote in favour of unlimited abortion safe in the knowledge that providing they go to confession or whatever soon after and genuinely repent, including saying the three hail mary's they'll likely get for punishment (I always found the concept of being told to say prayers as a form of punishment a bit odd) then all will be hunky dory all round and a Win Win for everyone.

Thanks for clarifying, we got there eventually. :-)

Well good thing i am an atheist and can vote for autonomy and a fundamental human right. And i sincerely hope there are enough other people that can distance themselves from religious BS and make a decision without basing it on fairytales so we can stop exporting our females to other jurisdictions so they can get basic treatment.

J C wrote:

Owney ... Roman Cathoics don't have a monopoly on opposing abortion ... Moslems also oppose it ... so please stop fighting with your allies ... there are enough pro-abortionists to oppose, without wasting your energies arguing with people who are on your side, on the abortion issue.

Everybody must oppose abortion, even those who don't know who Christ is. God's law is written in every heart.

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

God is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. There is no other God.

Owney ... Roman Cathoics don't have a monopoly on opposing abortion ... Moslems also oppose it ... so please stop fighting with your allies ... there are enough pro-abortionists to oppose, without wasting your energies arguing with people who are on your side, on the abortion issue.

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

So you don't deny you misused the statement from the Harvard professor and you've no rebuttal as to why tadpoles are called tadpoles and not "baby frogs" just as fetuses are fetuses and not human beings.

For crying out loud. There's just no point is there. Tadpoles are called tadpoles and not baby frogs in the same way newborns are called newborns and not "tiny adults".

I've misused nothing, and engaging with you is tiresome. Here's someone else for you to disagree with:

"Every human embryologist in the world knows that the life of the new individual HUMAN BEING begins at fertilisation. It is not belief, it is scientific fact". Ward Kishcer, University of Arizona.

As I've stated, I understand your position when it comes to ignoring basic facts and using dehumanising language. It's imperative to your cause that you do.

Je_suis_Jean wrote:

Why don't you address the question I asked? Can a christian who had educated himself/herself on the issue of abortion and votes in favour of unlimited abortion (for whatever reasons you may not be able to comprehend) but later genuinely respents be forgiven by god or not?

Yes, of course he will be forgiven.

Je_suis_Jean wrote:

Why don't you address the question I asked? Can a christian who had educated himself/herself on the issue of abortion and votes in favour of unlimited abortion (for whatever reasons you may not be able to comprehend) but later genuinely respents be forgiven by god or not?

How could anyone who knows what abortion entails vote in favour of it? It is impossible.

mach1982 wrote:

Actual they worship the same God as us the God of Abraham just like the Jews, Jesus is revered as a prophet in Islam(

God is God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. There is no other God.

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

How could an educated voter, ie. one who knows what abortion entails, vote in favour of it?

Why don't you address the question I asked? Can a christian who had educated himself/herself on the issue of abortion and votes in favour of unlimited abortion (for whatever reasons you may not be able to comprehend) but later genuinely respents be forgiven by god or not?

It's a fairly straightforward question relating to whether or not god will ALWAYS forgive you and welcome you with open arms into the kingdom of glory regardless of what heinous sins you committed providing that before you die you genuinely repent?

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

Unfortunately, Muslims follow a false God, and will receive their just reward.

Actual they worship the same God as us the God of Abraham just like the Jews, Jesus is revered as a prophet in Islam(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam), but not the as Son Of God.

Also, your forgetting the most import commandment "Love Thy Neighbour". If you need to know who is your neighbour reread the story of the Good Samaritan. You'll find out that it is the rest of the human race no matter what God they believe. Jesus did not come to convert, he came to teach us how to respect people.

Je_suis_Jean wrote:

So you don't deny you misused the statement from the Harvard professor and you've no rebuttal as to why tadpoles are called tadpoles and not "baby frogs" just as fetuses are fetuses and not human beings.

What a load of red herrings and other assorted nonsense.

keano_afc wrote: »

Human beings reproduce human beings. That's pretty basic biology. We don't become more human the older we get. You can offer your opinion on when a human life becomes a human being, as far as I'm concerned it's a straw man argument with the sole intention of validating the deliberate killing of the unborn.

As I've previously stated, I believe that electively ending a human life is wrong. I have no issue with medical termination when the life of the mother is at risk. I don't know anyone that does. But killing a human being purely because it's an inconvenience is morally repugnant.

So you don't deny you misused the statement from the Harvard professor and you've no rebuttal as to why tadpoles are called tadpoles and not "baby frogs" just as fetuses are fetuses and not human beings.

Je_suis_Jean wrote:

That is what your are saying right? The ignorant voter in favour of abortion commits a lesser sin than the educated voter in favour of abortion but both will receive the mercy of god so long as they truly repent afterwards.

How could an educated voter, ie. one who knows what abortion entails, vote in favour of it?

Je_suis_Jean wrote:

Cool, so if the key word is repentance as you state it why can't both christians who are ignorant of the abortion issue (as if that was actually possible if they go to mass, read a newspaper, know the 10 commandments, watch the tv etc) and christians who are educated fully on the issue vote in favour of unlimited abortion safe in the knowledge that they can genuinely repent later on and all will be rosie in the kingdom of god forever?

How do you know that you can genuinely repent later? The very concept points to a false repentence. God will not be fooled.

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

Look, those who vote in favour of abortion due to ignorance commit a lesser sin than those who vote for abortion, fully aware of what abortion entails. Nobody is prohibited from the mercy of God. Even the greatest sinner in the world. The key word is repentence.

Cool, so if the key word is repentance as you state it why can't both christians who are ignorant of the abortion issue (as if that was actually possible if they go to mass, read a newspaper, know the 10 commandments, watch the tv etc) and christians who are educated fully on the issue vote in favour of unlimited abortion safe in the knowledge that they can genuinely repent later on and all will be rosie in the kingdom of god forever?

That is what your are saying right? The ignorant voter in favour of abortion commits a lesser sin than the educated voter in favour of abortion but both will receive the mercy of god so long as they truly repent afterwards.

Have I misunderstood any of that?

Do not fear him who can kill the body and then can do no more. Rather fear Him who can destroy both body and soul in hell.

Je_suis_Jean wrote:

Please do show me where Dr Matthews-Roth, Professor of Medicine at Harvard states that a newly conceived foetus is actually a human being rather than a foetus which has the potential to become a human being.

No conception, no baby.