Non-Nationals attacking Taxi drivers in West Dublin

Odhinn · 14-01-2018 02:00PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Nope and I never said it was just the newcomers. It's people, on both sides. Colour, religion doesn't matter. They only signify to others differences. We only have to look north on our own island and the history of Ireland in general. All "white", basically the same religion and pretty much similar cultures, but different enough to have caused centuries of strife and death. The Troubles which lasted for what thirty years, had a death toll of 3000 men women and kids, on top of the general nastiness.

Outside of ex colonies Multculturalism does not work(and it's not exactly roses within them). I'm still waiting for the pro "diversity" side to a) give me examples of where it has worked and b) what makes them think it'll work here? On the latter a few like yourself have noted that it's not the fault of people coming in and that "locals" have difficulty adjusting and I agree. So again why jump to copy every single other example where problems have arisen? Not when we have the opportunity to nip it in the bud before a generation on we're looking at the same crap as other European nations. It makes zero bloody sense to me. And no, "because diversity" isn't an answer.

multiculturalism was less likely to work in ex colonies, as one group were placed above another - indians/pakistanis in Uganda for instance.

The problems are often exaggerated. America works, flawed as it is, as does Britain, the Netherlands and so on. Striving for ethnic homogenity is both pointless and doomed to fail.

the beer revolu · 14-01-2018 02:01PM

Having read this thread, I think I am against multiculturalism. Not because I don't want foreign people to settle here but because the very notion of it turns the locals into polarised arseholes!

Wibbs · 14-01-2018 03:02PM

"Odhinn wrote: »

The problems are often exaggerated. America works, flawed as it is, as does Britain, the Netherlands and so on. .

Now you really must be having a laugh... Those examples all prove my point not yours. Maybe you want ghettos marginalisation civil unrest and armed police on the streets of Ireland.

Striving for ethnic homogenity is both pointless and doomed to fail

says you. The Japanese have largely managed it. We managed until recently. And I don't see why it's pointless. Unless you're Into white/Irish self flagellation.

Plus other than periods in the Roman Empire pretty much all of great cultures of the world throughout history were far more homogeneous than "multicultural".

And it is quite simple to mitigate this multicultural nonsense. Massively curtail numbers coming in. To be fair were already pretty good on that score but we need to remain so.

Odhinn · 14-01-2018 03:07PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Now you really must be having a laugh... Those examples all prove my point not yours. Maybe you want ghettos marginalisation civil unrest and armed police on the streets of Ireland.
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We already had that. By stereotyping and so on. You've learned little from it by the looks of things.

Wibbs wrote: »

says you. The Japanese have largely managed it. We managed until recently. And I don't see why it's pointless. Unless you're Into white/Irish self flagellation. .

Truly, truly pathetic.

We "managed" largely because there was fuck all to come here for.

Wibbs · 14-01-2018 03:23PM

Odhinn wrote: »

We already had that. By stereotyping and so on. You've learned little from it by the looks of things.

the only place we had that on this island was where two cultures clashed. Proving my point again. You really seem determined to have more nonsense of that in pursuit of your pie in the sky diversity beliefs.

Truly, truly pathetic.

not exactly the stuff of debate there Ted. Maybe - all too common these days - you're used to people around you nodding in agreement?

We "managed" largely because there was fuck all to come here for.

Yep there's the sniff of Irish self loathing I expected alright. It's almost a given trait of pro multicultural folks.

biko · 14-01-2018 03:28PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Yep there's the sniff of Irish self loathing I expected alright. It's almost a given trait of pro multicultural folks.

I think the term is oikophobia
Here is an article about an okiophobe

Odhinn · 14-01-2018 03:36PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Yep there's the sniff of Irish self loathing I expected alright. It's almost a given trait of pro multicultural folks.

Dignifying any discussion with your lot with the term "debate" isn't something I'd do.

A statement of economic fact. Or were we leaving in our droves for the craic?

weldoninhio · 14-01-2018 03:38PM

Lusk almost got a dose of multiculturalism last night. Thankfully the Gardai were tipped off and stopped a gang of 40 or so youths from getting to the town.

I wonder if the Gardai were being racist or if they knew the gang.

Odhinn · 14-01-2018 03:38PM

Wibbs wrote: »

the only place we had that on this island was where two cultures clashed.......

Jesus yeah, theres no stereotyping in this state based on accent, area or anything else.

Bubbaclaus · 14-01-2018 03:54PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Lusk almost got a dose of multiculturalism last night. Thankfully the Gardai were tipped off and stopped a gang of 40 or so youths from getting to the town.

I wonder if the Gardai were being racist or if they knew the gang.

What?

Wibbs · 14-01-2018 04:47PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Dignifying any discussion with your lot with the term "debate" isn't something I'd do.

My "lot" eh? And what "lot" is that, pray tell? Do please enlighten us. I will say your rebuttals don't seem to have much cohesion so far.

Odhinn wrote: »

Jesus yeah, theres no stereotyping in this state based on accent, area or anything else.

Indeed there is. I've repeatedly said there is. This is the part you and others seem to be missing or ignoring. I have also said that the existing population is just as much in the blame game for conflict as the incoming. Racism exists, as does culturalism. This is undeniable. That doesn't magically go away and the results of all that are what we see in every single "multicultural" state in Europe.

What staggers me is the headlong rush by some who want to ignore what's in front of them for decades and to add to existing social problems in new and socially damaging ways by importing this failed notion of multiculturalism. Every single European nation that has done similar has had and continues to have problems and they're escalating rather than declining. It seems to come in cycles loosely generationally based. The first generation are rarely any issue, the second is usually when it kicks off, then a period of calm and then it kicks off again.

Now whatever reasons/excuses other European nations had for their respective influxes - old Empire coming home to roost; UK/France. Or a need of 'fresh blood" for industry; Germany - they are most certainly not in play here. We're one of the few nations in the west with a positive population growth.

Odhinn · 14-01-2018 04:51PM

Wibbs wrote: »

My "lot" eh? And what "lot" is that, pray tell? Do please enlighten us.

Well, you're the one wanting to keep a ethnically homogenous state. Classify thyself.

As for rebuttals, you aren't worth that much of my time, as the more intellectual pretension some things dress up in, the less funny they are.

Wibbs · 14-01-2018 04:59PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Well, you're the one wanting to keep a ethnically homogenous state. Classify thyself.

Avoiding the question then? You made the accusation of god knows what.

As for rebuttals, you aren't worth that much of my time, as the more intellectual pretension some things dress up in, the less funny they are.

So, essentially you've got nothing?

Your "argument" appears to boil down to; multiculturalism works and problems are exaggerated. Ireland is meh and would be better for it. It's inevitable. You're a racist with an agenda if you don't agree with it.

Will I Am Not · 14-01-2018 05:08PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

What?

Supposedly a huge gang of black teens were escorted back on to a train to Balbriggan from Lusk by Gardaí after causing trouble.

I don’t know if that’s a fact but that’s what I’m hearing locally. There’s video of it that I’m sure will surface eventually.

Dyr · 14-01-2018 05:24PM

Odhinn wrote: »

multiculturalism was less likely to work in ex colonies, as one group were placed above another - indians/pakistanis in Uganda for instance.

The problems are often exaggerated. America works, flawed as it is, as does Britain, the Netherlands and so on. Striving for ethnic homogenity is both pointless and doomed to fail.

Is America really multicultural? It was extremely monocultural for most of it's history, even with a relatively diverse population (although by the modern interpretation of diverse it was not diverse at all but just European)

Same with Britain and The Netherlands, Diversity is a relatively new phenomenon and multiculturalism is very new. Is it working? Neither the British or Dutch seem to be very keen on it.

Elemonator · 14-01-2018 05:30PM

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

Supposedly a huge gang of black teens were escorted back on to a train to Balbriggan from Lusk by Gardaí after causing trouble.

I don’t know if that’s a fact but that’s what I’m hearing locally. There’s video of it that I’m sure will surface eventually.

I was drinking last night and sure enough one of my friends was late. They said the reason was two gangs of kids were being separated by the Gardai...

Dr Brown · 15-01-2018 08:25PM

Things are heating up in Blanchardstown.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2048259/schoolboy-gangs-who-are-terrorising-west-dublin-locals-and-targeting-taxi-drivers-being-left-to-run-amok-by-gardai/

baylah17 · 15-01-2018 08:47PM

Wow
The Irish Sun
An impeccable source that would never exaggerate the facts in order to garner a headline
A comic from the same publishing group as the now defunct News of the World , closed after its illegal activities came to light

baylah17 · 15-01-2018 08:48PM

Wow
The Irish Sun
An impeccable source that would never exaggerate the facts in order to garner a headline
A comic from the same publishing group as the now defunct News of the World , closed after its illegal activities came to light

Sand · 15-01-2018 09:38PM

Odhinn wrote: »

Well, you're the one wanting to keep a ethnically homogenous state. Classify thyself.

Ethnic homogeneity being largely maintained for several hundred years if not several thousand, predating the state. You apparently want to end it in the space of 50-100 years. You have no idea what will replace it and all the warning signs are flashing red and amber.

Yours is the more radical and inexplicable proposal. I think the onus is on you to justify and explain why ethnic homogeneity should be ended. But 'your lot' never can and never will justify or explain yourselves.

Herb Powell · 15-01-2018 10:54PM

Sand wrote: »

Ethnic homogeneity being largely maintained for several hundred years if not several thousand, predating the state. You apparently want to end it in the space of 50-100 years. You have no idea what will replace it and all the warning signs are flashing red and amber.

Yours is the more radical and inexplicable proposal. I think the onus is on you to justify and explain why ethnic homogeneity should be ended. But 'your lot' never can and never will justify or explain yourselves.

YEah, that's a complete myth.

Sand · 15-01-2018 11:33PM

Herb Powell wrote: »

YEah, that's a complete myth.

Yeah, its really not.

Beechwoodspark · 16-01-2018 12:02AM

Dr Brown wrote: »

Things are heating up in Blanchardstown.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2048259/schoolboy-gangs-who-are-terrorising-west-dublin-locals-and-targeting-taxi-drivers-being-left-to-run-amok-by-gardai/

Wow. Sound like pure and utter scumbags. Hopefully the guards make plenty of arrests followed by charges and hopefully long prison sentences for these budding gangster crews.

Good to see something is being done now. Even better if the politicians had another look at mandatory sentencing and longer harsher sentences. No place for scum like this in society.

Mutant z · 16-01-2018 12:05AM

Good to see the Gardai doing something about this it must never be allowed to be tolerated in this country.

Herb Powell · 16-01-2018 12:35AM

Sand wrote: »

Yeah, its really not.

In Ireland? Yes it is.

Our history is a series of different ethnic groups settling on the island. There is nothing "pure" about us.

Dyr · 16-01-2018 01:09AM

Herb Powell wrote: »

In Ireland? Yes it is.

Our history is a series of different ethnic groups settling on the island. There is nothing "pure" about us.

Not really, People like to ****e on about waves of vikings normans and hugoenots etc but they never really settled in large numbers which is why we absorbed them and why we're still a fairly uniform group in terms of our DNA

We've only really had one major ethnic settlement in our history, the plantations...and seeing how that worked out..

Herb Powell · 16-01-2018 01:33AM

Bambi wrote: »

Not really, People like to ****e on about waves of vikings normans and hugoenots etc but they never really settled in large numbers which is why we absorbed them and why we're still a fairly uniform group in terms of our DNA

We've only really had one major ethnic settlement in our history, the plantations...and seeing how that worked out..

What about the much more recent influx of Eastern Europeans? I do remember the days when people were wary about that, but that was nowhere near the level of current level of hysteria surrounding non-EU migrants. Of which there are much, much fewer, might I add.

biko · 16-01-2018 02:31AM

baylah17 wrote: »

Wow
The Irish Sun
An impeccable source that would never exaggerate the facts in order to garner a headline
A comic from the same publishing group as the now defunct News of the World , closed after its illegal activities came to light

Please list permissable news sources.

MSVforever · 16-01-2018 07:35AM

It's funny how they try to explain this behaviour with "cultural" difference in the article. From my experience travelling the African continent is that they have more respect for elderly than most Europeans.

These guys are simply total scumbags. If the gardai can't deal with them then it's only a matter of time until people take the law into their own hands.

Pepefrogok · 16-01-2018 12:48PM

Can anyone show any success stories in regards to European countries accepting mass immigration from largely third world countries?

Non-Nationals attacking Taxi drivers in West Dublin

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