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Can a Christian vote for unlimited abortion?

J C

I don't believe that a Christian can morally vote for unlimited abortion.

The Sixth Commandment is very simple and very clear ... 'Thou shalt not kill'.

It means that you cannot kill yourself or another Human Being, except in self defence (or the defence of another Human Being) where no other option is available.
This is the basis for all laws protecting the person and criminalising the killing of other people in Common Law Jurisprudence.

Induced abortion is ethically and morally wrong ... except where the life of the mother is directly threatened and there is no other option available to save her.

This is the current law in Ireland.

Voting to expand Irish Law to allow the unlimited killing of unborn children is not something that any Christian (or other monotheist, indeed) can do in conscience and in clear contravention of the Sixth Commandment of God.

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ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Je_suis_Jean wrote:

OK, I'm calling Mr Baloney here a complete and utter wind up merchant, either that or he's on here in between hours of this:-

Again, that's your choice.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

I am asking everyone to repent of their sins from the bottom of their heart, lest the trap be sprung.

54and56

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

Again, that's your choice.

So it's ok to have a choice of options one or more of which may not be "gods choice"?

Good to know.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Je_suis_Jean wrote:

So it's ok to have a choice of options one or more of which may not be "gods choice"?

Je_suis_Jean wrote:

Good to know.

Of course. God is offering you one choice among others. You decide which choice you make.

54and56

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

Of course. God is offering you one choice among others. You decide which choice you make.

So what's this thread even about so?

Why can't christians vote for unlimited abortion safe in the knowledge that they can easily repent for making the wrong choice later on and all will be rosie in the kingdom of god forever?

Win Win for everyone

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Je_suis_Jean wrote:

Why can't christians vote for unlimited abortion safe in the knowledge that they can easily repent for making the wrong choice later on and all will be rosie in the kingdom of god forever?

I'm afraid that you can't "easily repent" as you say. It must be genuine repentence from the bottom of the heart.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

I am again pleading with people to repent of their sins, lest they be cast into exterior darkness. Listen to me.

54and56

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

I'm afraid that you can't "easily repent" as you say. It must be genuine repentence from the bottom of the heart.

OK, my bad.

Would it be ok if christians voted for unlimited abortion and then, at a later date, genuinely and wholeheartedly repented?

Gerry T

NaFirinne wrote:

over 1.6 million unborn babies slaughtered so far this year - that's 15 days -- Can you not see there is something really wrong in the world that kills this many unborn babies?

What about the 9 million people that die of hunger related diseases each yr. Why don't the 2.2billion Christians do something about that, or is it issues where you can preach to people rather than dig into your pockets. I'm not talking about you personally more a comment to the faith believers.
Personally I disagree with abortion, wouldn't agree with it in most cases unless the mothers life was at risk. But I wouldn't stop someone having one, forcing my opinion onto them

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

If at the time of voting for abortion, they were in ignorance, and ultimately genuinely repented, of course God will forgive them.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Gerry T wrote:

What about the 9 million people that die of hunger related diseases each yr. Why don't the 2.2billion Christians do something about that, or is it issues where you can preach to people rather than dig into your pockets. I'm not talking about you personally more a comment to the faith believers. Personally I disagree with abortion, wouldn't agree with it in most cases unless the mothers life was at risk. But I wouldn't stop someone having one, forcing my opinion onto them

About the nine million people who die of hunger related diseases. What are you doing about it?

SuperSean11

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

I don't think so.

God only calls the righteous. Oooooo burn......oooo serendipity

mcfitness20

Abortion while being a divisive topic teaches us something
the weak must fear the strong

SuperSean11

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

I don't think. So?

Fixed your post to increase accuracy.

Gerry T

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote:

About the nine million people who die of hunger related diseases. What are you doing about it?

I do my bit for select charities and in the past I have given time in this area. But your missing the point. Someone preaches saying you'll go to hell for having an abortion, as they sit in their armchair happy that their ok. Well how do they know their not heading to hell for sitting back in their armchair, in their house worth hundreds of thousands, with foreign holidays etc..... While they know millions are starving to death. In my book that would be the bigger sin.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

SuperSean11 wrote:

God only calls the righteous. Oooooo burn......oooo serendipity

That is true, but while there is still time, He calls sinners to genuine repentence.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

SuperSean11 wrote:

Fixed your post to increase accuracy.

Don't fix my posts. They don't have a comma missing. What I write, I write.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

SuperSean11 wrote:

Fixed your post to increase accuracy.

Don't fix my posts. They don't have a comma missing. What I write, I write.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Gerry T wrote:

I do my bit for select charities and in the past I have given time in this area. But your missing the point. Someone preaches saying you'll go to hell for having an abortion, as they sit in their armchair happy that their ok. Well how do they know their not heading to hell for sitting back in their armchair, in their house worth hundreds of thousands, with foreign holidays etc..... While they know millions are starving to death. In my book that would be the bigger sin.

Very true. They are not saved.

Cabaal

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

Abortion is a heinous offence against Almighty God, and unless repented of, such people shall not enter the Kingdom of God.

Grand, so strict Christians don't have abortions so. Problem solved, you have nothing to worry about.

In the meantime anyone that doesn't subscribe to your belief system should discuss what's best for them with their doctor once the 8th is repealed.

Cabaal

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

I'm afraid that you can't "easily repent" as you say. It must be genuine repentence from the bottom of the heart.

I'm not so sure, sex abusing priests have been forgiven. It came from the bottom of their heart I guess....

J C

Gerry T wrote: »

But the commandment didn't give exceptions. Jesus could have defended himself from being killed but he didn't. Your argument may be logical but it's not what the commandment says. If you going to follow the rules YOU can't make exceptions to suit yourself. So if someone tries to kill you, yes you can defend yourself but not to the degree where you yourself will intentionally kill. If you do your breaking that commandment any your no better than any other murderer.

Obviously, if you use unreasonable force, you will be guilty of illegal killing.
Every police force can use intentional lethal force legitimately, if there is an imminent direct threat to life ... and there is no other practical way to safely diffuse the situation.

volchitsa

J C wrote: »

Obviously, if you use unreasonable force, you will be guilty of illegal killing.
Every police force can use intentional lethal force legitimately, if there is an imminent direct threat to life ... and there is no other practical way to safely diffuse the situation.

Aren't we discussing what the scripture actually says, as opposed to someone's interpretations of what it "obviously" means?

Because I don't think it does say that police forces can kill legitimately. It just says you can't kill.

So, I realize that's a bit complicated and not terribly practical, and I'm not saying we can run our society that way, but the point is that we're immediately quite a way from what the bible actually says. So who's to say that doesn't apply to abortion too, and that it's personal opinion whether or not it's enough not to have an abortion oneself and maybe "free will" and "Am I my brother's keeper" applies to everyone else and their decision about their own pregnancies?

54and56

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

If at the time of voting for abortion, they were in ignorance, and ultimately genuinely repented, of course God will forgive them.

So if you know voting in favour of abortion is wrong and you go ahead and do it anyway you are then prohibited from ever repenting even if you really genuinely would be repentant?

Are you sure about that?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

fkx2nspcw9omhg wrote: »

If at the time of voting for abortion, they were in ignorance, and ultimately genuinely repented, of course God will forgive them.

And those who vote for abortion, believing the Yes vote to be the lesser of two evils, and may subsequently regret their decision can gain full absolution though the sacrament of reconciliation if they make a proper and genuine confession.

keano_afc

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

Fixed that for ya. Now at least your point is accurately made if nevertheless untrue.

Nah you didn't fix it, you just made it more edgy. It always strikes me as odd that pro-abortion advocates only use medical language when talking about an unborn child. Do you call your tongue your glossus too? It's never been explained to me why people use medical jargon to talk about a human life.

Oh wait, the whole dehumanise thing. Gotcha.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Je_suis_Jean wrote:

So if you know voting in favour of abortion is wrong and you go ahead and do it anyway you are then prohibited from ever repenting even if you really genuinely would be repentant?

What do you mean "prohibited from repenting"? There is no such thing. If you sincerely repent, you are forgiven.

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Lisa Billions Gum wrote:

And those who vote for abortion, believing the Yes vote to be the lesser of two evils, and may subsequently regret their decision can gain full absolution though the sacrament of reconciliation if they make a proper and genuine confession.

Yes of course.

54and56

keano_afc wrote: »

Nah you didn't fix it, you just made it more edgy. It always strikes me as odd that pro-abortion advocates only use medical language when talking about an unborn child. Do you call your tongue your glossus too? It's never been explained to me why people use medical jargon to talk about a human life.

Oh wait, the whole dehumanise thing. Gotcha.

I use medical jargon to talk about a medical procedure whereas you use fluffy emotionally incorrect language to try and project human qualities on a foetus.

If that's too tricky for you understand perhaps you can explain why the term tadpole exists instead of "baby frog"?

ouxbbkqtswdfaw

Je_suis_Jean wrote:

I use medical jargon to talk about a medical procedure whereas you use fluffy emotionally incorrect language to try and project human qualities on a foetus.

When will you ever learn? From the moment of conception to birth abortion is not allowed.