ted1 wrote: » Protect them from who ? Why fighter jets ? They are more or less obsolete, Drones are the future. Jets are expensive are you willing to pay more taxes?
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » I have no interest in the Air Corps
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » ted1 wrote: » Protect them from who ? Why fighter jets ? They are more or less obsolete, Drones are the future. Jets are expensive are you willing to pay more taxes? Look, forget it. Disband the so called Air Corps. The RAF will do it for us. I'd be happy with that.
Ellen Thankful Lavender wrote: » Kinda holed your own canoe with that one. Even so, in a country with over 3,000 homeless children one will have a difficult time persuading people to spend tens or hundreds of millions on jets to "defend our own airpsace" against something.
ted1 wrote: » You clearly have no ideas of the role of the Aer corp.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » ted1 wrote: » You clearly have no ideas of the role of the Aer corp. RAF needs to protect us. We don't need or want an Air Corps that is not serious about protection. Let the RAF do it. As a taxpayer, delighted.
ted1 wrote: » Protection from who? How many jets would we need to protect us, how many airports would we need. Tactical ballistic strikes prior to an attack would take the jets out before they leave their hanger.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » Surely it's time to grow up and defend our own airspace? I see some on here jerking off to more propeller porn and it's embarrassing. I have no interest in the Air Corps and think it should be disbanded if this does not happen soon. It's pointless and a waste of money. Out source it to the RAF - would be cheaper.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » I already said the Royal Air Force should do the job. Simple. Be happy with that. No confidence in our Air Corps.
Jawgap wrote: » So in the absolute worst case scenario with the RAF providing 'defence' who gives the shootdown order for a jet in our airspace - the British PM or would you expect RAF jets to be under Irish command when operating in Irish air space?
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » I thought we were neutral? Do you accept the premise a neutral should be able to defend it's neutrality? Switzerland anyone? Abandon neutral and accept Ireland has never been serious about it's own protection and hand it to the RAF. Much cheaper to contract out for the taxpayer.
Ardennes1944 wrote: » Switzerland are neutral but have jets, I hear them flying nearby here all the time.
McGaggs wrote: » Not at lunch time you don't.
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » If you are wondering what I think the Air Corps should do.Buy 18 top fighter jets. Upgrade facilities. Employ the needed personell. Then i'll take them seriously. Until then we are reliant on the UK.
Jawgap wrote: » Actually, you can double that number - the RAF has about 35 Typhoons on the QRA mission to keep two at constant 24 hour readiness. Of your 18 jets - 6, at any given time, will be undergoing maintenance, leaving 12......you need at least two for QRA, plus two spares.....that leaves 8......you're always going to get hangar queens, so figure 2 of them.....leaves you with a paltry 6 for training, operational conversion etc Also, you can add two tankers to your list.
Fann Linn wrote: » Dinny & Topaz will supply the Tankers.
tac foley wrote: » Let's just have an injection of a little realism here - Republic of Ireland GDP for 2017 - $88.577 Billion. Switzerland GDP for last public record year - $659 Billion. Switzerland has almost 800 years of self-reliance, culminating in the middle of the 19thC when the modern form of nationwide militia forces was to all intents and purposes, set in concrete. Switzerland is not not-aligned, Switzerland IS neutral. Unlike the RoI, that can place the weight of dealing with an aerial aggressor on a nearby friendly nation - the UK - Switzerland has nobody to help out except themselves. They do not have any form of shared national defence responsibilities with any other nation. In their little hideaway country, surrounded by the tallest mountains in Europe, they are totally self-sufficient, and intend to keep it that way. They have their own military industry for guns from .22Cal up to 155mm, and all the military watches and knives you could ever want. Per capita of the population, in all the world, only Israel has more people eligible for military service, and that is because the IDF has women in it. The Swiss Armed forces, TMK, do not. tac
Kermit.de.frog wrote: » If you are wondering what I think the Air Corps should do. Buy 18 top fighter jets. Upgrade facilities. Employ the needed personell. Then i'll take them seriously. Until then we are reliant on the UK.
Uinseann_16 wrote: » We shouldn't be dependent on any nation the UK in particular although relations are good now no one knows what will happen in the future Although France may have good relations with Germany now would they trust them with their complete airdefence No, you should not put your trust in a country that once occupied you.
sparky42 wrote: » You do know that many of the EU nations are integrating their forces, for example the Dutch and German Navies/Marines are integrating, think the Benelux countries are working at integrating their air defences for example.
Jawgap wrote: » Lots of countries talking about cross-decking their F-35s (and other airframes) too......then there's Baltic and other air policing missions that NATO are involved in.
Heart Break Kid wrote: » Even 2-4 eurofighters and we'd be set, just something to stop those pesky Russians from playing hopscotch over Ireland whenever they please.
