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One morning I need to get the cows done early dumbass here let's the wire down directing to parlour and cows head for a gallop to the last fecking field on the pasaage

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Buford T. Justice XIX

alps wrote: »

Sunday Independent running an article on the 250 wealthiest people in Ireland.....

We're all going to be named now.....

Where there's muck, there's money.

We'll all be rich for a few weeks yet.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Some bad news on fert prices.

China gas heating crisis leaves fertilizer makers in the cold

https://www.reuters.com/article/china-pollution-gas-fertilizer/china-gas-heating-crisis-leaves-fertilizer-makers-in-the-cold-idUSL4N1P51UO

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Keepgrowing wrote: »

No not as yet. All farm is gps mapped. I have created ph, p and k maps and find them really useful.

We're trying to create a base line of trace elements. I'm not sure what ones to hone in on as priority as I'm uneducated in this area.

By soil mapping are you referring to gps based soil testing coupled with yield monitoring? I think we may have this done to some degree as I mentioned all farm is mapped and divided into aprox 4 ha paddocks and are sampled as such. We were sampling every year and now have a base line.

It's amazing the difference acting on the results can yield so hoping that continued work on micro elements will improve soil health further thus increasing herd performance.

Going back to 2010 all the fields were mapped for electroconductivity to map the various soil types(local joke is a neighbouring county can have 7 soil types in one pass across a field vs only 6 here from blow away sand to heavy clay) and had 10 samples/ha taken to see what was there. Years of yield maps from 09 are laid over these. Allows micro management down to 10's of m2 with inputs done to match proven % of over the control ' ideal' areas of a given field. Allowed removal of underperforming areas into enviro schemes so the rest can be really pushed. Variability is taken out ideally by seeds/p/k/and the main micro nutrients done variably with the later being done via plant stands at start of the growing season in spring and green area indexes via agronomists drone. N is semi flatrate to traditional yield response/ winter damage in spring.

K.G.

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Some bad news on fert prices.

China gas heating crisis leaves fertilizer makers in the cold

https://www.reuters.com/article/china-pollution-gas-fertilizer/china-gas-heating-crisis-leaves-fertilizer-makers-in-the-cold-idUSL4N1P51UO

Alot of cost creep going on.There seems to be a repeat of the cycle that took place in 07 08 09 where we had a year of good milk prices with realitive cheap inputs followed by a year of good milk price with high inputs and 09 which was bad milk price with high enough inputs,only thing missing is high grain prices

Timmaay

K.G. wrote: »

Alot of cost creep going on.There seems to be a repeat of the cycle that took place in 07 08 09 where we had a year of good milk prices with realitive cheap inputs followed by a year of good milk price with high inputs and 09 which was bad milk price with high enough inputs,only thing missing is high grain prices

By the sound of it high grain prices certainly aren't going to come, apparently in the likes of Russia and Argentina the cost of production only about 70e/ton, the trade embargo by Europe on Russia only woke up Russia to what it can actually knock out in terms of grain if it wanted to. And high grain prices great to help put the breaks on the high input/output lads. If fertiliser does go back up in price at what price to lads start looking alot more seriously at reducing fertiliser use and instead concentrating on clover etc?

mahoney_j

Timmaay wrote: »

By the sound of it high grain prices certainly aren't going to come, apparently in the likes of Russia and Argentina the cost of production only about 70e/ton, the trade embargo by Europe on Russia only woke up Russia to what it can actually knock out in terms of grain if it wanted to. And high grain prices great to help put the breaks on the high input/output lads. If fertiliser does go back up in price at what price to lads start looking alot more seriously at reducing fertiliser use and instead concentrating on clover etc?

Or feed more cheap meal ,reduce stocking rate and increase production per cow clover whilst many benefits is seriously limited before may and after August

Water John

Yes, research into clovers that would work at lower temps, in this country, is long over due.

Keepgrowing

Water John wrote: »

Yes, research into clovers that would work at lower temps, in this country, is long over due.

Isn't there a clover trial in Clon?

Water John

Didn't know of it. Clon wouldn't be a typical Irish climate. They wouldn't know what frost is, on the one hand and it's very near the sea, on the other.
We know the critical temp for grass is 6C and other species. Surely, we could breed clover varieties with similar critical growth temp, or aim that way, at least.

yosemitesam1

Keepgrowing wrote: »

No not as yet. All farm is gps mapped. I have created ph, p and k maps and find them really useful.

We're trying to create a base line of trace elements. I'm not sure what ones to hone in on as priority as I'm uneducated in this area.

By soil mapping are you referring to gps based soil testing coupled with yield monitoring? I think we may have this done to some degree as I mentioned all farm is mapped and divided into aprox 4 ha paddocks and are sampled as such. We were sampling every year and now have a base line.

It's amazing the difference acting on the results can yield so hoping that continued work on micro elements will improve soil health further thus increasing herd performance.

Might be of use to you, Werner Bergman's tissue test recommendations

GrasstoMilk

Water John wrote: »

Didn't know of it. Clon wouldn't be a typical Irish climate. They wouldn't know what frost is, on the one hand and it's very near the sea, on the other.
We know the critical temp for grass is 6C and other species. Surely, we could breed clover varieties with similar critical growth temp, or aim that way, at least.

There's about 12 commercial farms located around the country involved in the clover trial now.
it'll take a few years for any data to come off those farms

yosemitesam1

Water John wrote: »

Didn't know of it. Clon wouldn't be a typical Irish climate. They wouldn't know what frost is, on the one hand and it's very near the sea, on the other.
We know the critical temp for grass is 6C and other species. Surely, we could breed clover varieties with similar critical growth temp, or aim that way, at least.

Interestingly white clover is most limited by water stress at low temps. Think there has been crosses made with alpine strains.

Reggie.

Water John wrote: »

Yes, research into clovers that would work at lower temps, in this country, is long over due.

Stanfit has plenty of clover working for him. Sowed a few bags of "crusader" for him last year

Mooooo

Lack of ground cover in wet conditions or wet farms in spring/ autumn main issue damage then lead to more weed pressure also

mahoney_j

Reggie. wrote: »

Stanfit has plenty of clover working for him. Sowed a few bags of "crusader" for him last year

Aghh sure that lad is farming some of the best land in the country !!

Reggie.

mahoney_j wrote: »

Aghh sure that lad is farming some of the best land in the country !!

Dont be telling him that

Say my name

Reggie. wrote: »

Dont be telling him that

How did your own reseed turn out after?

mahoney_j

Reggie. wrote: »

Dont be telling him that

We wouldn’t want to be giving him a big head or anything ,keep him grounded !!!!!

Reggie.

mahoney_j wrote: »

We wouldn’t want to be giving him a big head or anything ,keep him grounded !!!!!

Hard to listen to him as it is

Reggie.

Say my name wrote: »

How did your own reseed turn out after?

Hard to really say at this stage as it was oversown and I grazed it tight last Nov. In saying that tho if you look out at the field there are no more bare patches in it from cattle digging and around feeding troughs. Looks nice and uniform. Should see the difference now in March or so when the fert has a chance to get onto it.

When's the best time to hit it with abit of spray? March?

Will do the same to the calf paddocks now in March or April.

Say my name

Reggie. wrote: »

When's the best time to hit it with abit of spray? March?

I suppose yea. Whenever you think the ground is warm enough and weeds growing.

I thought this was an oversow into an existing sward?
You'd think there shouldn't have been much of a chance of weed seeds germinating just from scratching the top of the ground.
Depends on the land I suppose.

(That's a genuine question btw even if it does sound a bit uppidty).

Reggie.

Say my name wrote: »

I suppose yea. Whenever you think the ground is warm enough and weeds growing.

I thought this was an oversow into an existing sward?
You'd think there shouldn't have been much of a chance of weed seeds germinating just from scratching the top of the ground.
Depends on the land I suppose.

(That's a genuine question btw even if it does sound a bit uppidty).

No your grand.

It was into an existing swarth but was lazy on the spray for the last few years but want to clean it up now that I went to the bother to reseed/oversown it. Docks and nettles are coming too noticeable in it really so time to take action

As to the scratching. You'd be surprised at how much ripping the harrow is capable of.

stagg88

Any one thinking of going out with urea in the next week or 2?
What's the prices like around the country?

Mooooo

Two wet down here anyway haven't priced anything yet

jaymla627

K.G. wrote: »

Alot of cost creep going on.There seems to be a repeat of the cycle that took place in 07 08 09 where we had a year of good milk prices with realitive cheap inputs followed by a year of good milk price with high inputs and 09 which was bad milk price with high enough inputs,only thing missing is high grain prices

Have all this years fertiliser bought, as of Friday, rep was saying very little has been forward bought compared to last year, a lot of dairy farmers are spending small fortunes on parlours/sheds etc and the money wasn't their to forward buy fertiliser

Gawddawggonnit

Couple of questions...

What’s the optimum temp for the medicine cabinet?

Where would I find the current (2017/18) Irish budget/purse/envelope for dairy farms?
Is the budget capped or a function/percentage of GNP (not GDP!)?

Thanks.

K.G.

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Water John wrote: »

Yes, research into clovers that would work at lower temps, in this country, is long over due.

Isn't there a clover trial in Clon?

The clon situation is not really looking at clover in terms of reduced nitrogen input -it gets the same as grass. it is more an experiment in using clover to increase cow intakes and production off pasture so not an envoiromental study as such

Mooooo

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Couple of questions...

What’s the optimum temp for the medicine cabinet?

Where would I find the current (2017/18) Irish budget/purse/envelope for dairy farms?
Is the budget capped or a function/percentage of GNP (not GDP!)?

Thanks.

Vaccines in a farm fridge, medicine lockable cabinet at ambient temp, don't get the extremes of Europe here and it is inside anyway so can store whatever doesn't need to be refrigerated.
What do you mean budget for dairy farms?

jaymla627

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Couple of questions...

What’s the optimum temp for the medicine cabinet?

Where would I find the current (2017/18) Irish budget/purse/envelope for dairy farms?
Is the budget capped or a function/percentage of GNP (not GDP!)?

Thanks.

Tams 11 budget for 2017 was 50 million, probably will be around this for 2018 could be higher depending on number of applications, theirs still 300 plus odd million available till 2020 under the Rural development scheme

simx

stagg88 wrote: »

Any one thinking of going out with urea in the next week or 2?
What's the prices like around the country?

Heard 350/t that's only price I got