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General Rugby Discussion II

awec

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awec

Squidgy Black wrote: »

According to Jonny Holland's ama Academy contracts here are usually only around 10k so more than likely yeah

Am I not right in thinking that while academy contracts are rather modestly paid in Ireland the players get many non-monetary benefits that makes them roughly comparable with the academy contracts in England?

Anyway, I suspect it won't be long until this sort of thing is more common place. It won't be long until they are waving big contracts under the noses of promising Irish players.

Tigerandahalf

OldRio wrote: »

Deary me. Another step towards EPL soccer money.

In fairness he is the starting outhalf for a reasonably big team in Quins and is also taking their kicks. If he was 22 or 23 nobody would take any notice.

It is just a case of can he keep developing. He could have 14 years ahead of him so easy to see why Harlequins would tie him down.

I presume the contract is for about 4 years. If so it is great value.

[Deleted User]

Squidgy Black wrote: »

According to Jonny Holland's ama Academy contracts here are usually only around 10k so more than likely yeah

Well he's an exceptional talent and has skipped any academy stage. It happens in Ireland too, albeit rarely. Luke Fitz went from school to a senior contract for example.

I don't see the issue with this, his age is irrelevant, what's relevant is what he does on the pitch.

errlloyd

irishbucsfan wrote: »

And in the grander scheme of things it's not a huge investment in someone who could become an elite player in the most important position on the pitch during that contract. He COULD become a tw*t but the onus is on his employer to protect their investment and keep him on the straight and narrow.

He could conceivably still be one of the lowest paid first choice outhalves in the Aviva Premiership? I'd say all these lads are on more.

Farrell (Sarries)
Steenson (Exeter)
Gopperth (Wasps)
Priestland (Bath)
Ford (Leicster)
Piers Francis (Northampton)
James O Connor (Newcastle)

irishbucsfan

OldRio wrote: »

Deary me. Another step towards EPL soccer money.

If he was a soccer player starting in Europe and pushing for his international place he'd probably be looking for that amount of money every week!

Squidgy Black

Buer wrote: »

The entire Leinster academy would be on less money than that, I would be guessing.

According to Jonny Holland's ama Academy contracts here are usually only around 10k so more than likely yeah

OldRio

Clegg wrote: »

Marcus Smith has signed a new contract with Harlequins worth 230k per annum before performance related bonuses.

He's 18.

Deary me. Another step towards EPL soccer money.

irishbucsfan

Buer wrote: »

Insane to give a kid that money. Whatever about rugby, they've no idea how he'll develop as a person. He might go on the beer for the next few years and even after that, he could go the way of Gordon D'Arcy and get his head together or go the way of Gavin Henson and his career could completely fall apart.

The entire Leinster academy would be on less money than that, I would be guessing.

Well someone was going to do it. He's an international squad member at 18 years old. If Quins didn't do it then someone else in England or France would.

And in the grander scheme of things it's not a huge investment in someone who could become an elite player in the most important position on the pitch during that contract. He COULD become a tw*t but the onus is on his employer to protect their investment and keep him on the straight and narrow.

Buer

Insane to give a kid that money. Whatever about rugby, they've no idea how he'll develop as a person. He might go on the beer for the next few years and even after that, he could go the way of Gordon D'Arcy and get his head together or go the way of Gavin Henson and his career could completely fall apart.

The entire Leinster academy would be on less money than that, I would be guessing.

Squidgy Black

stephen_n wrote: »

Did they do it the Kiwi way and bring him over at schools level, or is he a project/granny player?

His dad is English, went to school in England as well after living in Singapore for a while.

It's mental money for someone that young though, you would hope he keeps the head down and doesn't let it get to him.

Interesting backlog at 10 for England however, with Farrell and Ford being so young.

bilston

Clegg wrote: »

Marcus Smith has signed a new contract with Harlequins worth 230k per annum before performance related bonuses.

He's 18.

Having watched him in the back to backs against Ulster I can confirm he is potentially an exceptional talent. But based on those games anyway he is also a work in progress. £230k a year for an 18 year old work in progress must be a first in rugby.

[Deleted User]

stephen_n wrote: »

Did they do it the Kiwi way and bring him over at schools level, or is he a project/granny player?

He's none of those things.

irishbucsfan

stephen_n wrote: »

Did they do it the Kiwi way and bring him over at schools level, or is he a project/granny player?

I think his surname points to the fact he's not exactly a purebred Filipino...

stephen_n

swiwi_ wrote: »

From the little I’ve seen he looks worth it. Out of interest, I see he’s Filipino. In any case we’ll see if England finally have a player who matches the hype.

Did they do it the Kiwi way and bring him over at schools level, or is he a project/granny player?

swiwi_

Clegg wrote: »

Marcus Smith has signed a new contract with Harlequins worth 230k per annum before performance related bonuses.

He's 18.

From the little I’ve seen he looks worth it. Out of interest, I see he’s Filipino. In any case we’ll see if England finally have a player who matches the hype.

Stheno

Clegg wrote: »

Marcus Smith has signed a new contract with Harlequins worth 230k per annum before performance related bonuses.

He's 18.

Holy crap

Clegg

Marcus Smith has signed a new contract with Harlequins worth 230k per annum before performance related bonuses.

He's 18.

Podge_irl

molloyjh wrote: »

Pretty sure nobody is surprised by this....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2018/01/10/talk-rugby-exclusive-european-governing-body-move-hq-fromneuchatel/

Especially cause they would have already read it 6 posts up :pac:

molloyjh

Pretty sure nobody is surprised by this....

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2018/01/10/talk-rugby-exclusive-european-governing-body-move-hq-fromneuchatel/

Yeah_Right

Deleted User wrote: »

On the subject of doping. Any of our resident Kiwi's any insights on this, seems like young lads trying to climb the ladder a bit faster.

Read about that earlier. Never heard of any of them. From the photo in the link, he was in u20s with Luatua and Sopoaga. Maybe he saw the level they've reached and realised he couldn't get there without cheating. I'm glad they got caught.

I hope that all the players at the elite level are clean but not so naive to think they all are or that none have taken something in the past to get up to that level.

awec

Interested Observer wrote: »

Lima Sapoaga confirmed to be joining Wasps next season. Cipriani on his way out I wonder?

Ulster missed the boat on him because of the court case

[Deleted User]

On the subject of doping. Any of our resident Kiwi's any insights on this, seems like young lads trying to climb the ladder a bit faster.

Burkie1203

Interested Observer wrote: »

Cipriani on his way out I wonder?

Ulster could do worse

[Deleted User]

Lima Sapoaga confirmed to be joining Wasps next season. Cipriani on his way out I wonder?

Podge_irl

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union/2018/01/10/talk-rugby-exclusive-european-governing-body-move-hq-fromneuchatel/

The governing body of the European Champions Cup has decided to move its headquarters out of the Swiss town of Neuchatel just three years after it was established, because of the travel demands the location has put on its staff and executives.

Well duh. I could have told them that. Or I suppose they could have just looked at a goddamn map.

Tigerandahalf

I wasn't sure where to post this but with Munster signing 2 of the brightest talents in SA it seems the game down there is in freefall.

https://www.therugbypaper.co.uk/features/columnists/nick-cain/27815/nick-cain-six-nations-offers-boks-a-route-to-salvation/

Didn't realise that SA's tv deal with supersport provides 70% of the funding for Super Rugby and the Rugby Championship with only 40% of it making it back to the SA union.

This all seems to be pointing to SA entry to the 6 Nations (or just the club game in Europe with SA remaiming in Rugby Championship - but would need standard rugby calendar for all).

Perhaps a separate championship down under involving NZ provinces, the Australian super sides with Perth back on board.

Even Pichot the former Pumas scrumhalf reckons the future for them is in aligning with the US/Canada.

prawnsambo

sydthebeat wrote: »

Nope, there is no obligation on the tackling player (A) to allow the other player (B) up.

Its the responsibility of B to either get up, pass the ball, or release it.

Player A has the responsibility not to flop down on top of player B, something that you see penalised from time to time.

You're quite correct. :cool:

Apparently one of those myths that I've fallen for.

sydthebeat

prawnsambo wrote: »

Was that not a loose ball he dived on? Shouldn't he be allowed to get to his feet before being tackled?

Nope, there is no obligation on the tackling player (A) to allow the other player (B) up.

Its the responsibility of B to either get up, pass the ball, or release it.

Player A has the responsibility not to flop down on top of player B, something that you see penalised from time to time.

prawnsambo

Deleted User wrote: »

Question on Jonny Hollands ama about holding on at the breakdown. Thought it was worth posting this here for the hilarious miss by Wayne Barnes

Was that not a loose ball he dived on? Shouldn't he be allowed to get to his feet before being tackled?

irishbucsfan

Synode wrote: »

Was he not allowing Sarries to recycle it as otherwise he would have gone back for the knock on

Well they didn't really allow him a chance to get up having gone down on the ball. Not really that big a deal.