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M7 - Naas/Newbridge Bypass Upgrade [Junction 9a now open]

JupiterKid

Following on from the suggestion of a poster, this thread has been set up to discuss the need for widening the M7.

The section of the M7 IMO in immediate need (really a backlog need) for widening is the section from the Maudlins Interchange at Naas to the M9 interchange - basically the original 1983 Naas Bypass and half of the 1993 Newbridge Bypass. Is this likely to proceed in the near future?

Would the central median be wide enough for widening to D3M here? I'm pretty sure it is wide enough on the Newbridge bypass section but I'm not so sure in the case of the Naas Bypass.

Also, what bridges will need to be demolished and rebuilt? Or would it be more practical to drop the hard shoulder through the existing bridges?

What about the proposal a few years back to build a new junction at on the Naas Bypass at Osberstown? Will it still go ahead?

In the longer term, does anyone see a need to widen the M7 to the N7/M8 junction?

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CeilingFly

regedit wrote: »

I drove twice today from J9-J10. Very little work going on the first time at around 12:20 and no work whatsoever at around 15:00. Shame as weekends should be utilised as much as possible. I have a feeling next week will be the same as this one with working area cordoned off for safety reasons. I drove 60 km/h from Naas to Newbridge and every single car overtook me!

There's an old adage

Fail to prepare - prepare to fail.

All the safety systems are being installed at present and as they are being installed, barriers around lights and old crash Barriers are being removed.

Once that's complete, the main machines can start.

There will be plenty of weekend and overnight work - usually for parts they need to close off the motorway such as installation of new bridge work at the new 12a junction.

s14driftking

Patww79 wrote: »

Then they should pay someone who will do it all week, and they would find someone if they wanted. Getting this done as soon as possible should be the priority.

I’d want double wages and I know most men in my position would too. Leading to more costs on the project. Plus engineers etc won’t want to be there at the weekends after spending 50 to )0 hrs there during the week.

OldMrBrennan83

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s14driftking

regedit wrote: »

I drove twice today from J9-J10. Very little work going on the first time at around 12:20 and no work whatsoever at around 15:00. Shame as weekends should be utilised as much as possible. I have a feeling next week will be the same as this one with working area cordoned off for safety reasons. I drove 60 km/h from Naas to Newbridge and every single car overtook me!

Who do you suggest does this weekend work?
I drew materials into it before Xmas Monday to Friday and I know I’ve no intention of working weekends whether it’s quieter or not!!! This is my free time that I feel I’m entitled to have off the same as yourself.

regedit

I drove twice today from J9-J10. Very little work going on the first time at around 12:20 and no work whatsoever at around 15:00. Shame as weekends should be utilised as much as possible. I have a feeling next week will be the same as this one with working area cordoned off for safety reasons. I drove 60 km/h from Naas to Newbridge and every single car overtook me!

CeilingFly

pad199207 wrote: »

That new southbound slip road at New Junction 10 looks desperately short. Should have a left slip too but not near enough room for it so it seems.

Drawings are just drawings.

Road infrastructure these days are to best international standards - my guess is the drawing only shows the elevated part of the slip road with further space for joining running alongside the motorway as you have with most junctions.

I particularly like the new j10 - it will solve all the current issues of that junction.

pad199207

sdanseo wrote: »

http://kildare.ie/CountyCouncil/NationalRoadsOffice/M7NaastoNewbridgeBy-PassUpgradeScheme2013/AnBordPleanalaOralHearing/DayOne/M7%20Traffic%20Analysis%20Brief%20Power%20Point%20Presentation.pdf

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That new southbound slip road at New Junction 10 looks desperately short. Should have a left slip too but not near enough room for it so it seems.

sdanseo

WhatsGoingOn2 wrote: »

Does anyone have a link to the plans for the changes to Junction 10 Naas South?

http://kildare.ie/CountyCouncil/NationalRoadsOffice/M7NaastoNewbridgeBy-PassUpgradeScheme2013/AnBordPleanalaOralHearing/DayOne/M7%20Traffic%20Analysis%20Brief%20Power%20Point%20Presentation.pdf

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WhatsGoingOn2

Does anyone have a link to the plans for the changes to Junction 10 Naas South?

One_Of_Shanks

OK, thread here in motoring for all that sort of talk, which will hopefully prevent any more off-topic stuff here too so everyones happy:

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=105820627#post105820627

One_Of_Shanks

Sam Russell wrote: »

No, this forum is about infrastructure, not traffic congestion, speeding, or that kind of thing.

Open a thread in the Motoring forum, it is a more appropriate area for that kind of discussion.

Yes, that is exactly correct. If traffic discussions were allowed, then that is all that would be discussed, and the Mororing forum would miss out, and we would not like that.

You should use the PM function to get this kind of answer.

Sound! Will do.

OldMrBrennan83

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Sam Russell

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

Not questioning the Mod's comment here but if we cannot discuss speed/lack of it during the works then are we still allowed discuss traffic etc?

No, this forum is about infrastructure, not traffic congestion, speeding, or that kind of thing.

I mean they're all related to the works and affecting us commuters during this process, so I was kind of enjoying people's inputs tbh, it was helpful.

Open a thread in the Motoring forum, it is a more appropriate area for that kind of discussion.

Or is this thread purely for comments on the actual progress of the works themselves? Fair enough if so. It might be worth creating a second thread in motoring about general discussion? (if there's one already then someone please post link ifI missed it)

Yes, that is exactly correct. If traffic discussions were allowed, then that is all that would be discussed, and the Mororing forum would miss out, and we would not like that.

Might as well ask before banging on about the traffic flow today and getting banned

You should use the PM function to get this kind of answer.

NedNew2

Looks like a sudden change is being made. From KildareNow website:

Following last night’s cancellation of works due to foggy weather conditions, Kildare CO Council said the following:

In order to improve the westbound merge from Junction 9 (Naas North), SIAC Colas JV will be carrying out emergency works tonight.

The Junction 9 (Naas North) Westbound on- slip will be closed overnight between 10pm – 6am and traffic will be diverted onto M7 Eastbound to exit and re-join M7 Westbound at Junction 8 (Johnstown)

https://www.kildarenow.com/news/urgent-road-closure-tonight-m7junction-9-ramp/202866

One_Of_Shanks

Not questioning the Mod's comment here but if we cannot discuss speed/lack of it during the works then are we still allowed discuss traffic etc?

I mean they're all related to the works and affecting us commuters during this process, so I was kind of enjoying people's inputs tbh, it was helpful.

Or is this thread purely for comments on the actual progress of the works themselves? Fair enough if so. It might be worth creating a second thread in motoring about general discussion? (if theres one already then someone please post link ifI missed it)

Might as well ask before banging on about the traffic flow today and getting banned

CeilingFly

benny79 wrote: »

Why are they starting at junction 8 sure its already 3 lanes there...

realignment - you can't just "add a lane" and in any case one of the lanes from J8 to Naas ball is for turniogn off at Naas, so there will be four lanes at this juncture - one for veering off into Naas

SoupyNorman

barneygumble99 wrote: »

I can see it being mayhem this evening around the big ball , it’s bad enough on a normal Friday but with the short tie in to the M7 southbound from Naas, there’ll be big queues getting onto the motorway, then if things are backed up more than normal, you’ll have extra traffic using Kill and Johnstown as a rat run, leading to even more traffic at the big ball.

Welcome to the next 2 years (or period of construction).

It certainly will be painful but all I do is look to the outcome when it's finished. Also, remember that many road projects come in ahead of schedule (Newlands Cross flyover as an example)

benny79

Why are they starting at junction 8 sure its already 3 lanes there...

barneygumble99

I can see it being mayhem this evening around the big ball , it’s bad enough on a normal Friday but with the short tie in to the M7 southbound from Naas, there’ll be big queues getting onto the motorway, then if things are backed up more than normal, you’ll have extra traffic using Kill and Johnstown as a rat run, leading to even more traffic at the big ball.

sea12

So is there a plan available of the planned works. Do for the moment it's j8-j10. Are they going to complete this and then move it down to j10-j11.

Sam Russell

Mod : Can we give the speed limit a rest. If you want to continue this, do it in the motoring section. This thread is for discussing the progress of the upgrade, not moaning about drivers.

Future speed limit posts will be deleted.

AugustusMinimus

Average speed cameras are the only answer here. The stress being caused without them is unreal.

Just as frustrating though will be those who will only drive at 50kph for fear of speeding.

GhostyMcGhost

benny79 wrote: »

Id advise people to keep the speed up with the flow of traffic at the moment till the 60 kmh is enforced. People who drive at 60 when everyone is doing 80/90 causes accidents imo even though I know they are technically obeying the law. Going to fast is obviously dangerous but so is going to slow!

Its called rush hour for a reason after all..

And my point is that I guess i'll find out when enforcement is as soon as the 3 points and fine arrive... I've a clean licence and I strongly intend to keep it that way

Guards were just past J10 this morning. Everyone obeying the limit.... until they got closer to J9 and then it was a free for all again.... between J9 and J8 is lethal. Wide, straight open stretch of road and you'll be crucified for trying to stay at 60km/h

benny79

Id advise people to keep the speed up with the flow of traffic at the moment till the 60 kmh is enforced. People who drive at 60 when everyone is doing 80/90 causes accidents imo even though I know they are technically obeying the law. Going to fast is obviously dangerous but so is going to slow!

Its called rush hour for a reason after all..

CeilingFly

sea12 wrote: »

They are going to be good few days putting up the portable crash Barriers in place of the cones. Look brand new also. Where these come from? Ireland or uk? iStrong looking though would like to be crashing into them.

Covas, who are joint partners in the scheme are one of the most experienced motorway builders in uk and france, so I suspect its their safety systems that are being used.

beertons

I was on the road again, northbound between the 2 Naas exits. Much slower and at 10am. What ever about the crash barriers on the right, there's going to be a fair few leaving the road to the left. Alot of muck on the inside lane, from lorries. The only thing to show you to keep out are a few cones, and they'll be dirty tomorrow. That whole section need to be lit up. I think I'll be skipping that way for a while. Caragh, Bodenstown, and out at Kill.

sea12

They are going to be good few days putting up the portable crash Barriers in place of the cones. Look brand new also. Where these come from? Ireland or uk? iStrong looking though would not like to be crashing into them.

GhostyMcGhost

Truckermal wrote: »

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/951021616141684737

They are enforcing it so, another one caught earlier.

Looks like it’s being enforced outside of rush hour anyway. It’s peak times that need enforcement the most

Truckermal

Middle Man wrote: »

The more idiots off the road, the better!

https://twitter.com/GardaTraffic/status/951021616141684737

They are enforcing it so, another one caught earlier.

SoupyNorman

CeilingFly wrote: »

What's with all the whinging about speed limits.

Gardai are reasonable. Do a reasonable speed and you and other traffic will be fine.

And then we can get the thread back on progress of the works rather than moans about someone going a little faster / slower than others. Gardai will enforce speed, not other motorists.

Yes, reading this thread of late you would not think the works we've all longed for had not begun. Its happening people, two short years of slighty more pain and it's all over. Cant wait for the day I glide down the N7 to M9 without stopping in rush hour.

Well, I live in hope.