volchitsa wrote: » So does your mother think it would have been fair enough to send her to a psychiatric ward, as happened to a pregnant child recently? After all, she gave up fairly easily apparently - but what if the pregnancy had been far more distressing to her and she had remained determined not to give birth? Or like Ms Y, who was threatened with incarceration and with force feeding iirc. I don't believe any woman in her right mind could condone that sort of treatment to a young woman or a child.
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frag420 wrote: » Within reason? Such as? When you say wrong decision, in accordance with who, you or your 12 yr old pregnant sister?
Da Boss wrote: » Many here are saying they won’t engage with me as I’m So anti abortion. Since there so anti life should I resist engaging with them too??
Da Boss wrote: » Many here are saying they won’t engage with me as I’m So anti abortion. Since there so pro choice should I resist engaging with them too??
frag420 wrote: » Da Boss, you have a habit of skipping the tough questions so again I have to call you out to answer them...come on, man up!!
Bannasidhe wrote: » Anti-life - is that the latest spin? I am very much in favour of life as it happens -particularly the lives of the already born. Ah now. I am not the only one who has asked you very valid questions, I have been polite, I have engaged with you, and now it very much appears as if you are running away from debate... Here's a thought - have you considered asking Pro-Choice people why they are pro-choice?
Da Boss wrote: » Indeed however and having seen me alive my mother was shocked as to how she contemplated having an abortion, when she planned having one she’d never thought of the child she was killing, just of herself ( no different to many in this forum) however she is now staunchly anti abortion after seeing me and the shock that she unbeknownst to herself at the time almost denied me my life
Da Boss wrote: » Well I understand it may be a stressful time for a woman,pregnancy that is, but one cannot relieve the stress by ending the life of the child. That is not a acceptable option, that cannot be condoned
Da Boss wrote: » Indeed I have, and not one if they had mentioned in any way the unborn child
Bannasidhe wrote: » Does that mean if she hadn't seen you she would be pro-choice?? Again I repeat - abortion would not be compulsory. Your mother contemplated. She made a decision not to. She is glad she, personally, made that decision. That is not the case for everyone. Some people regret having children. It;s not all sunshine and lollipops you know. For some people a pregnancy means dire poverty. Continued health problems that seriously impact on their quality of life - and ability to provide care for others. Death. Women have died. Where was their right to life???
Da Boss wrote: » Wrong descion for everyone,the 12 year old made a morally unacceptable descion which ended the life of another
volchitsa wrote: » If a 12 year old were going to drop a baby headfirst out of a second or third floor window, could you not be "forceful" about stopping them? I would. Without hesitation. And I'd be a lot more than "extremely disappointed" if I didn't manage to stop them. So what's the difference? I mean, I see one, but I'm not going round calling women who terminate pregnancies murderers. You're the one doing that.
Da Boss wrote: » I would be most totally against it and explain exactly why. In my case I know my mother sister would be of the same opinion as me but say they weren’t I would be against any such thing and would make my stance more than clear to them
frag420 wrote: » Yeah we get that, what i am asking you is what would you do to stop them traveling for an abortion? What would you do to save the potential babies life? If all you are going to do is make your stance clear then again I shall call you out as weak and ball-less as you don't really give a crap about the potential life you claim to want to save!! So I ask you again, what would you do to stop them travelling for an abortion?
Da Boss wrote: » I would do all I could within reason. Obviously I couldn’t be forceful about it but would be extremely disappointed should they make the wrong discion.
volchitsa wrote: » Any chance of a reply to this?
Da Boss wrote: » yes however if the eighth wasn’t in place my mother would have had an abortion and ended a life,intentionally ending a life is unacceptable in any circumstances! My mother realized her mistake and it’s a mistake she ensuring others don’t make. Many people don’t think of the life there denying by having an abortion that’s the issue
Bannasidhe wrote: » Keeping the 8th doesn't prevent abortions. It prevents women and girls being able to access safe abortions with full medical aftercare at a reasonable cost in their own country. All the 8th does is force desperate women and girls into desperate measures - debt, buying pills on line, wirehangers.....
Bannasidhe wrote: » Tell me, since you think all life is sacred - do you think it's murder if a clinically brain dead person is no longer being fed via tube and effectively allowed starve to death?
Bannasidhe wrote: » Are you disgusted that American military personnel are allowed, in uniform, to avail of facilities in Ireland while on route to potentially take a life?
Bannasidhe wrote: » Where do you stand on self-defence? If someone was seriously likely to kill you and the only way to stop them was end their life - would you??
frag420 wrote: » Again you have chickened out of answering the question so I again will ask you... Apart from telling them you are disappointed in them, what would you do to save the life of the unborn in this instance?? What would you do that is within reason so save the life of the unborn in this instance? and do you think a 12 yr old is mature enough to look after a child let alone go through 9 months of pregnancy? We shall assume that if you skip this again that you are even more ball-less and weaker than we thought previously! And just so you know, much like EOTR I am discussing this in private via PM with some people on your side who know how to have a proper discussion and like EOTR they are frankly embarrassed by you and your pathetic arguments!
eviltwin wrote: » My abortion wasn't a mistake
Bannasidhe wrote: » Your mother made a choice. A choice you seek to deny others. Brain dead person is alive. Is deliberately ending that life unacceptable?
Da Boss wrote: » How u know? U killed a child. If you hadn’t made ur mistake Ud probably have a child to love right now and Ud agree with me
Da Boss wrote: » Off the point irrelevant
NuMarvel wrote: » People aren't engaging with you because you're not extending the same courtesy to them. You're being deliberately belligerent and won't (or can't) engage in good faith with them. Which is pretty much what I predicted you'd continue to do the last time I responded to you.
Da Boss wrote: » My mother couldn’t make a choice, that’s the point I’m making. That meant she’d to carry me and she’s happy she done so having realized she’d otherwise have being a murderer. Regards brain dead people your again off topic
Da Boss wrote: » No pro choice people have any time for listening so why should I bother explaining. It’s my opinion that abortion is killing of defenseless unborn so for that reason I’m against abortion as I believe it constitutes killing, simple as that U
end of the road wrote: » buying pills and using wire hangers are absolutely a concern, but the rest is just a case of you want it so pay for it. i certainly agree the after care should be availible due to the high risks after the abortion but if people want an abortion due to lifestyle or other non-extreme reasons then them getting into debt and having to go abroad is their problem ultimately, and it's not the state's job to provide abortion on demand, especially free ones.
given that they are being allowed to suffer in the name of ending their life i would say it is at least cruelty, even a crime against humanity. they should be given an injection that would allow them to go quickly. done that way, then it wouldn't be an issue. but slowly starving someone to death is wrong in my view and we need to remove that and bann it.
i am yes . it's putting my country at greater risk of a terrorist attack.
i would only use reasonable force.
