Larbre34 wrote: » 60m? Like 200 ft? Who is that spoofer??
awec wrote: » I accept reality. Our team is not as bad as results and performance suggest. Kiss is hopeless and clueless and should feel free to fcuk off any time soon. As for the idea that he doesn't deserve this sort of message, I'd say catch a grip and look at Ulster's performances and results under his tenure. Backwards at a rate of knots. He doesn't have a clue.
kennedmc wrote: » Anybody know where I can watch the BBC NI coverage online please? I forgot to record it.
MJohnston wrote: » https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b09m4t4x/ulster-rugby-live-201718-leinster-v-ulster
Random Bloke wrote: » http://www.the42.ie/jordan-larmour-leinster-ireland-3784641-Jan2018/ The42.ie report of Kiss’ post-match interview highlights that he couldn’t pronounce Larmour’s name (he mustn’t have watched the Munster v Leinster game - anyone who watched that game couldn’t forget his name) and then he says that Stockdale used to be similar to Larmour! Bizarre comments that do not reflect well on his competence.
Deleted User wrote: » Leo comes off 'worse' if you want to call it that. Doesn't know where he wants to play Larmour and seems to have similar uncertainty over Carbery. Two of his best young talents. Bizarre comments that do not reflect well on his competence? Or just a reflection on the not perfect science of rugby?
Interested Observer wrote: » I'm aware we all hate Les Kiss and he has to go etc etc but off the top of my head, 4 of the 6 Leinster tries came from just straight up missed tackles. Stockdale missed Larmour, McFadden and Porter, and Piutau missed Daly. This is simple stuff tbh, those guys make their tackles and the tries get prevented. Is Kiss to blame for that?
awec wrote: » And guess whose responsibility the system is.
MJohnston wrote: » Gibbes?
awec wrote: » It would surely be remarkable if the defensive system at Ulster wasn’t overseen by the much lauded defensive guru and apparent specialist, Mr Kiss.
Interested Observer wrote: » Piutau missing a simple one-on-one with Daly is nothing to do with the system. You've one attacker and one defender and the defender just failed miserably, same with Stockdale. The players need to take responsibility here.
.ak wrote: » One of the things Andy Farrel said about defence coaching that really resonated with me is it’s his job to make the players WANT to tackle, to be hungry for a tackle, to enjoy playing without the ball as much they do with it. I don’t know about the rest of the players here but I naturally enjoy playing with ball in hand than without, tackling sucks, even if you’re good at it, it hurts more making a tackle than it does being dumped on your arse. You have to find a hunger for it, and a lot of that for me is confidence. Make two good tackles in a row and you’ll look forward to the third. But a lot of that starts on the training ground. Ulster look like a team not confident in their defensive capabilities right now. And as defence coach that’s Kiss’s fault.
Deleted User wrote: » Interested Observer wrote: » I'm aware we all hate Les Kiss and he has to go etc etc but off the top of my head, 4 of the 6 Leinster tries came from just straight up missed tackles. Stockdale missed Larmour, McFadden and Porter, and Piutau missed Daly. This is simple stuff tbh, those guys make their tackles and the tries get prevented. Is Kiss to blame for that? Of course he is. These guys should be training in an environment where this might happen once in a game. That said, the only really bad effort was Piatau for the second try and he has a tendency to go missing in defence to be honest, he was guilty of it with Wasps as well at times. The first try was partially Stockdale's fault but it was a fabulous step to be fair and the 1 on 1 was already conceded in mid field by I think Cave biting in on Ringrose (who could have been pinged for obstruction). Similarly the third try Stockdale lost his feet (as others did over the night) but where was the fullback in that situation? The ball had gone wide pretty fast but it was still another 1 v 1 for Stockdale and if you watch it back Piatau is on the wrong side and is walking across so is never going to provide cover. Again the fourth try is a piece of individual excellent from Porter. Cave comes in high for whatever reason on a tighthead which was madness, Stockdale is forced to cover and tries to go low coming in from the side and gets bounced. The major blunder had already happened, not many wingers are going to stop a prop moving at that pace but he could probably have done a bit better. Fifth try again, Cave sweeping over in the full back slot but where is he when the ball goes wide of Stockdale, totally out of position to cover and get another body in the way and it was so obvious that Leinster had numbers there, what was he doing? For me Cave's organisational defence and individual effort defensively fell far far short of what you would expect from a 13. Payne alone on the pitch would have halved the Leinster score line. Similarly Piatau's work rate off the ball is poor and his tackling attempt on Daly was shambolic. How much of this is Kiss and how much of it is the players is hard to know. Most of Ulsters problems happened because: 1. Bullied at the breakdown. Leinster scored and made massive ground off turnover ball. 2. Defensive shape. They allowed far too many 1 v 1's with only Stockdale being where he was meant to be. 3. Work rate. Even Stockdale had poor moments, after the kick through for I think the third try, he barely chases back. Pass the buck stuff that isn't good enough at this level. I've said it before, Kiss may well not be up to it but there is some really poor individual stuff out there. The pack were to blame for the main woe which was the breakdown and where Leinster did all the damage but the tries were mostly on the back line and Cave / Piatau in particular. The bigger worry to be honest is that Ulster didn't fire a shot going forward. They still had a brilliant back line on the pitch but rarely found much width or shape. Once or twice they looked a bit dangerous but I was never all that concerned. Service from the scrum half was unforgiving which compounded Ulsters inability to get the ball out to the backs accurately and at pace. There are a lot of issues there. Good bit of it is coaching, good bit is attitude and that is seeping into the players just not operating at the peak of their ability. The main issue though is a pack that can't impose themselves on the game even for patches. If the pack could raise their game for periods of play to put teams under pressure it would be a different story. Maybe with the likes of Moore and Murphy and Coetzee back available that raised work rate will start delivering patches for Ulster where they can register scores or relieve pressure. If Ulster do change coach, I'd be going after someone like Conor O'Shea and I'd give them the keys to all the offices to be honest.
molloyjh wrote: » Is it possible that Kiss isn’t actually looking after the defence? It would seem crazy to have him there and not.
MJohnston wrote: » It's a fúcked situation either way - if he is looking after it, then we've got the Director of Rugby priorities wrong. If he isn't looking after it, then arguably he should never have been made DoR. I seriously don't see the value in a DoR who has to share their time between all the necessary business ****e and actual coaching. It just doesn't work. I mean, compare Leinster and Ulster - Cullen and Lancaster are the ones that are talked about in terms of being responsible for performances, you don't hear much mention of Easterby even though he's in the exact same position as Kiss. There's one other comparison, and that's that Leinster have a CEO who used to play.
prawnsambo wrote: » Guy Easterby is Team Manager, not DoR.
MJohnston wrote: » He's head of rugby operations, which sounds like pretty much exactly what a Director of Rugby should be.
Interested Observer wrote: » What his title is or is meant to be is irrelevant. DoR can mean different things at different teams. Kiss was brought in to be in charge of the rugby team at Ulster, that's his job. If you called him head coach then nothing changes. It is not Easterby's job (to be honest I don't know exactly what Easterby's job is), but you couldn't call him the head coach because he patently isn't the head coach. In fact if you look at the Leinster website, he's not listed as a coach at all. I'd say Easterby's job is similar to Bryn Cunningham at Ulster if I had to guess.
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