GARDAI are investigating a string of stabbing attacks this morning that has left one man dead and two others injured. The incidents took place in Dundalk, Co Louth. One man has died after he was attacked and stabbed on Avenue Road. He is understood to be of Asian descent. His age is as yet unknown. The man was pronounced dead at the scene. It is understood that two other men - both understood to be Irish - were subsequently injured in separate attacks. Gardaí who were called to the scene confronted and disarmed the attacker. He has been arrested on suspicion of murder and is being detained at Dundalk Garda Station. He can be questioned for up to 24 hours. It is understood that the attacker is originally from Syria.
Kivaro wrote: » The Japanese kid was murdered by a failed asylum seeker. One of them was a tax paying contributor to Irish society; the other ..... a taker. The irony is that the taxes paid by the murdered kid will be used to feed, house, clothe, and provide free legal aid and psychiatric services for his murderer.
Spanish Eyes wrote: » The way reporting is going in this country now, there may be thousands of assaults perpetrated by these undocumented. But we cannot say anything for fear of being called racist. Just saying.
hatrickpatrick wrote: » That's not correct. Multiracial does not equal multicultural. Culture is about social norms, values, and expressions of art etc. It's perfectly possible to have a society which welcomes individuals of all colours and nationalities, without accepting that they can live - and more crucially, demand that their children born and raised here live - according to foreign and incompatible social norms. For instance: I would have absolutely no issue with banning non medical circumcision in Ireland for infants. I find the very concept of it obscene and barbaric. Now, this would straight away mean that Ireland would cease to be a multicultural society - we would be saying to Jewish people, "if you want to live here, you must accept that this aspect of your culture is illegal under Irish law, so if you want to live here, you'll have to leave that part of your culture behind". Many, many countries do this in all sorts of different ways. If you grew up in Amsterdam then legalised weed is part of your culture, if you come to Ireland, it is not. If you grew up in Ireland and move to America at 18, then drinking at your age is probably part of your culture but it is illegal in America. This is what multiculturalism means. It doesn't just mean people of different ethnicities living in the same geographic region, it also means allowing them to live according to their own cultural norms as opposed to demanding that they adopt Ireland's. And I have never been fully on board with multiculturalism in the latter manner - for instance, if you teach your daughter that her role in life is to be subservient to men and that she must hide her face in public or be punished at home, that in my view is something which in our culture we should regard as child abuse, and insist that people either refrain from practising that in Ireland or else get the f*ck out of here. Multiculturalism is *not* the same as multiracialism and it is *not* in any way racist to disagree with or oppose the concept of multiculturalism.
ArthurDayne wrote: » There seems to be a persistent inference in this talk of 'incompatibility of cultures' that people from cultural backgrounds all think the same way. There are 1.3 billion Muslims on the planet -- they are not all hooked up to some Muslim Mainframe where they are all programmed to think and act in the exact same way and to react to Western norms in the same way. .
Noel82 wrote: » Still the best post on this thread.
AllForIt wrote: » That's actually a good point that exposes that there is something utterly stomach churning about this indiscriminate murder. I mean he didn't do it for financial gain, he didn't do it because he had a score to settle with the victim personally, he did it because he felt he had some right to do it, perhaps because he feels he's been slighted in some way by the west. Well I'm sorry if he feels second best in the west but that's just the way it is, it's not the Japanese mans fault he feels that way, he feels that way cause it's true. I don't mean Muslims are second best , nor Egyptians, but himself.
Odhinn wrote: » .....we've currently no idea why he did it.
AllForIt wrote: » Spot on. Lets say he's mentally deranged. Still, where did he get the idea from to go out on the street and indiscriminately attack ppl. Could it possibly be because he seen some of his 'brothers' do the same. Also, can you give me one example in the last year indeed ever where a mentally deranged Irish person in this country stabbed and killed anyone in the same fashion that this guy did.
AllForIt wrote: » Spot on. Lets say he's mentally deranged. Still, where did he get the idea from to go out on the street and indiscriminately attack ppl. Could it possibly be because he seen some of his 'brothers' do the same.
AllForIt wrote: » Also, can you give me one example in the last year indeed ever where a mentally deranged Irish person in this country stabbed and killed anyone in the same fashion that this guy did.
Odhinn wrote: » ...which still leaves him deranged. Why are we going on time limits?https://www.herald.ie/news/dubs-star-jonny-coopers-knife-attacker-a-danger-to-society-34174728.htmlhttps://www.irishtimes.com/news/man-stabs-garda-kills-self-in-fermoy-1.801246
hatrickpatrick wrote: » It's not about Muslims and it never was, it's about people from the geographic region encompassing North Africa and the Middle East, which have a very recent history of cultural hostility towards what we in the West consider basic, non-negotiable human rights in various ways. A non-Muslim from Saudi Arabia is just as likely to have a backwards view of womens' place in society as a Muslim from Saudi Arabia - it's not about religion or race, it's about cultural immersion. Somebody who converted to Islam while living in Ireland is not culturally connected to ultraconservative middle eastern culture, so they're unlikely to adopt such views. It's not about race or religion, it's about the culture you grew up surrounded by and taught by. Odds are, for example, that if you grew up in a country where women are legally second class citizens and your family enforced this at home, you are more likely to hold such views yourself, which will fundamentally clash with how people live in this country. Now, if you're willing to discard your own social values at the border when you move here, then that's fine. The issue is that "multiculturalism" as an ideology insists that we shouldn't force people to do this - that we should allow people to continue living by the lifestyle they lived in their original country. This is fine in some cases, but absolutely toxic in others. Several obvious examples have been given. I'd argue that historic precedent has actually shown us that this form of multiculturalism simple never works out well. The problems you refer to only arose because people with vastly conflicting cultures were forced to share the same geographic regions without agreeing on a mutually acceptable set of values by which to live. This is what leads to the creation of ghettoes etc. This is where the concept of cultural ethnicities deserving their own homeland in which they can live according to their own cultures - for example, the two state solution of Israel and Palestine - came about. Because it was recognised that throwing people of utterly incompatible cultures into one small geographic region together only ever leads to conflict. History has taught us this repeatedly. Again, it's not about religion. Seeking out Muslims to do this would be pointless, since there are many Muslims who do not adopt ultraconservative cultural ideologies imported from repressed nations elsewhere. A far better analogy would be if you meet a teenage girl or young woman whose family doesn't let her out of the house without a male chaperone. Telling her to her face that you find this repulsive is obviously pointless, but how about phoning the Gardai or social services to report a suspected case of psychological / emotional abuse? If it was a case of somebody's partner treating them this way, under the new domestic violence laws introduced very recently this would be a clear cut case of emotional abuse, no question whatsoever. Why should it be different when it comes to familial relationships as opposed to sexual ones? It's different if you generalise based on culture, which unlike religion or race is a tangible measure of the lifestyle one not only lives by, but expects their family to live by as well. EDIT: Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that we don't allow such people into this country at all, I am suggesting that the concept of multiculturalism is flawed - that the currently considered un-PC rule of "when in Rome, do as Romans do" makes more sense than the currently popular concept of letting people move to a country without adopting its basic social values as part of their lifestyle and their families' lifestyle.
hatrickpatrick wrote: » It's not about Muslims and it never was, it's about people from the geographic region encompassing North Africa and the Middle East, which have a very recent history of cultural hostility towards what we in the West consider basic, non-negotiable human rights in various ways. A non-Muslim from Saudi Arabia is just as likely to have a backwards view of womens' place in society as a Muslim from Saudi Arabia - it's not about religion or race, it's about cultural immersion. Somebody who converted to Islam while living in Ireland is not culturally connected to ultraconservative middle eastern culture, so they're unlikely to adopt such views. It's not about race or religion, it's about the culture you grew up surrounded by and taught by. Odds are, for example, that if you grew up in a country where women are legally second class citizens and your family enforced this at home, you are more likely to hold such views yourself, which will fundamentally clash with how people live in this country. Now, if you're willing to discard your own social values at the border when you move here, then that's fine. The issue is that "multiculturalism" as an ideology insists that we shouldn't force people to do this - that we should allow people to continue living by the lifestyle they lived in their original country. This is fine in some cases, but absolutely toxic in others. Several obvious examples have been given. I'd argue that historic precedent has actually shown us that this form of multiculturalism simple never works out well. The problems you refer to only arose because people with vastly conflicting cultures were forced to share the same geographic regions without agreeing on a mutually acceptable set of values by which to live. This is what leads to the creation of ghettoes etc. This is where the concept of cultural ethnicities deserving their own homeland in which they can live according to their own cultures - for example, the two state solution of Israel and Palestine - came about. Because it was recognised that throwing people of utterly incompatible cultures into one small geographic region together only ever leads to conflict. History has taught us this repeatedly. Again, it's not about religion. Seeking out Muslims to do this would be pointless, since there are many Muslims who do not adopt ultraconservative cultural ideologies imported from repressed nations elsewhere. A far better analogy would be if you meet a teenage girl or young woman whose family doesn't let her out of the house without a male chaperone. Telling her to her face that you find this repulsive is obviously pointless, but how about phoning the Gardai or social services to report a suspected case of psychological / emotional abuse? If it was a case of somebody's partner treating them this way, under the new domestic violence laws introduced very recently this would be a clear cut case of emotional abuse, no question whatsoever. Why should it be different when it comes to familial relationships as opposed to sexual ones? It's different if you generalise based on culture, which unlike religion or race is a tangible measure of the lifestyle one not only lives by, but expects their family to live by as well.
hatrickpatrick wrote: » EDIT: Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that we don't allow such people into this country at all, I am suggesting that the concept of multiculturalism is flawed - that the currently considered un-PC rule of "when in Rome, do as Romans do" makes more sense than the currently popular concept of letting people move to a country without adopting its basic social values as part of their lifestyle and their families' lifestyle.
Strazdas wrote: » Many of the assaults we hear about at nighttime are not 'fights' but random attacks carried out by complete strangers. The fact that drink or drugs might be involved is neither here nor there : a random violent assault is a random violent assault.
vicwatson wrote: » Can anyone logically explain why there was around 30+ Gardai present to take the one person accused into court??
pitifulgod wrote: » To avoid some randomer attacking him. It's high profile and you run the risk of it happening in this particular case.
vicwatson wrote: » Unlikely, he's a no one, it's not John K Kennedy
splinter65 wrote: » There was going to be a violent mob there, possibly armed, 30 Gardai is about right.
joeysoap wrote: » What did he do to attract Garda attention on monday? Anyone who is familiar with Dundalk would know that there’s a fair amount of immigrants present in the town, and would pass no attention to anyone going about their daily business. * from the 2011 census and there’s now about 800 Chinese Students. Curious to know what drew their attention. Non-Irish nationals accounted for 12.8 per cent of the population of Dundalk compared with a national average figure of 12.0 per cent. Lithuanians (673 persons) were the largest group, followed by Nigerians (650 persons).
