Da Boss wrote: » I believe it is wrong and unjust and u should be held accountable for what you done, and yes, be disciplined by the law. You say you had an abortion, without hardly any thought about the fact you ended the life of another! Do you feel no shame, no guilt? Have you and conscience or is it all me me me with no thought whatsoever about the implications on the unborn, denied their right to live due to your self centeredness
baylah17 wrote: » So you believe that a woman should be coerced against her will to carry an unwanted pregnancy to full term against her will and under pain of punishment? You seem to have little regard or respect for the rights of women.
eviltwin wrote: » What kind of punishment would you suggest then? Life in prison? Maybe less for those who have regret, more for those who aren't ashamed. I had an abortion too, I can think of at least twenty other Irish women who admit to having abortions. Are you going to lock us all up? And what about the partners, husbands, friends etc who came with us or minded kids for us or gave us the money....they were all aware, do they go to prison too? You can shout as much as you like that abortion is murder, that we are 'baby' killers. You won't shame me though
Da Boss wrote: » I think that says all I need to know about you and your conscience (or lack of more like) . You have blood on your hands, you ended the life of another and you don’t seem to think of it twice, to me that’s scary, you show any compassion, or are you as it appears?- stone hearted
Da Boss wrote: » First of all , babies don’t just magically appear in the womb, they are created, women are aware of this. Therefore, unless women want a baby, they should play safe. Simple as that. Also, you say a woman shouldn’t be forced , they shouldn’t therefore that’s why they should practice safe sex. A baby in the womb shouldn’t be forced in death!! It’s not all about the mother, there’s two people at stake here. Yee desire “choice” , but that already exsistent, you have a choice whether or not you desire to become pregnant. If you decide to become pregnant, that’s your descion, you are not forced
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ohnonotgmail wrote: » its like listening to somebody from SPUC or Youth Defence.
Da Boss wrote: » However let me tell you this, there is nothing backwards or old fashioned about standing up against murder!
NuMarvel wrote: » I'm glad to see you agree that a woman's right to bodily autonomy should be paramount. How does a pregnant woman who doesn't want to be pregnant exercise her right to bodily autonomy if not through abortion?
NuMarvel wrote: » Now I know you're trolling us...
WhiteRoses wrote: » I really wish people would stop calling it murder. It isn't murder. In any shape or form. Calling it so is hyperbole and inaccurate and just takes away from the discussion. It just comes across like trying to point score and is highly insensitive to women who are on this thread who have shared their stories about having abortions themselves.
WhiteRoses wrote: » All I’m seeing here is women, women, women. Women should know better, women should do this, women should do that. Does the woman create the baby all by herself or am I missing something? You actually sound like one of those men that hates women. You clearly have no respect for them. Your point of view is ignorant at best, and dangerous at worst. You don’t have compassion. You haven’t even touched on any of the issues regarding the 8th and maternity care and consent, which shows you don’t have a clue. So clearly all you care about is ‘saving da baybeez’. Or at least that’s what you seem to think. I can’t wait for this referendum will be passed so people like you won’t have a platform for sharing your hateful views any more.
nice_guy80 wrote: » its not a baby until its born until then its a foetus in the first few weeks its a chemical embryo people make mistakes. life is about choices and mistakes they should have the choice to correct their mistakes (early in the pregnancy) life is not black and white. there's a whole grey area in between
kylith wrote: » And if the contraceptive fails? What then? Should women be punished with a pregnancy they don't want because they had sex? What about women who are raped? Should they be forced to carry her rapists' child? We have had women on this thread who would be left wheelchair bound if they went through another pregnancy. There are women who are refused medication that they need because it could harm a fetus. There are women made to carry foetuses that are dead or dying. There are womdn who have to give birth to children that they want who they know will die within hours of birth, in pain. That is what the 8th amendment does. I find myself thinking that you're very young yet, and that you may not have experienced the bowel-loosening terror of the sudden pregnancy scare. Take a deep breath, step back, and think how you would feel if you discovered you were pregnant in the morning. All the things in your life you wouldn't be able to do. The impact it would have on your career and your future prospects.
end of the road wrote: » abortion on demand doesn't effect her bodily autonomy. she is not accessing her bodily autonomy by killing the unborn, which is a separate entity and a separate life ultimately, which will rely on the mother for a time.
Edward M wrote: » I mean the easiest way out of a pregnancy. For some, and maybe a very small percentage, of those that seek abortion on demand it may be used as the first option instead of carrying a pregnancy through to the end when it might be a very possible outcome. If you want to term that as a late contraception, then ok, that would be it. I'm not talking the morning after pill sort of thing, but the 10/12 week decision as taking abortion as just an easy option, whether necessary or not. It would happen I feel, and for that reason I'd be torn as to supporting such legislation.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » Remember all the talk of a massive rebellion in Fine Gael that would bring that down? How did that work out at the end of the day?
Delirium wrote: » Bodily autonomy is choosing what happens regarding their own body. By not allowing a person avail of abortion (should they choose to have one) you are denying them bodily autonomy.
end of the road wrote: » i don't agree. if people believe it to be murder that is their view and they are entitled to it. if it's insensitive then that can't be helped but it will be nothing near as insensitive as killing the unborn outside extreme circumstances.
the referendum passing isn't going to make the pro-life campaign go away. they are going nowhere, this isn't going to be a repeat of the SSM referendum.
....... wrote: » Ah, here you are again. I am still awaiting, (a) evidence to show that the 8th Amendment should be kept in place due to positive outcomes and (b) an argument provided to show that a fetus should have more rights than a living sentient woman. FOURTH time to ask you directly now, or FIFTH? Ive lost count.
WhiteRoses wrote: » I'm just as entitled to believe the word is insensitive and has no place in this debate other than below the belt point scoring.
WhiteRoses wrote: » That is exactly what's going to happen. You can continue your life, not availing of abortions, nothing will change for you. The rest of us will have our choice and all will be right again. The pro-birthers will go back under the rock they crawled out of until the next referendum comes around.
eviltwin wrote: » And I'd like EOTR to answer my question about what legal sanctions women who have abortions here should face given that it's murder.....
end of the road wrote: » i really don't agree. killing the unborn isn't exercising bodily autonomy due to as i said, the unborn being ultimately a separate entity. yes it relies on the mother for a time for survival, but there are lots of other times where one may rely on someone else for survival and we don't allow their killing.
end of the road wrote: » the protesters outside abortion clynics showing contempt is enough.
January wrote: » Yawn. BTW I think of my abortion nearly every day (especially now coming up to the referendum), doesn't mean I regret it or am ashamed of it. I made the best decision for my family at the time it happened. Bringing another child into the world would have forced my already born children into a life of poverty. Why don't you care about children who are already born? You're pro-birth, not pro-life.
seamus wrote: » Great. So you support the right of women to choose an abortion then.
seamus wrote: » Because being pro-life requires that you support legal sanctions against abortion.
seamus wrote: » If you don't support legal sanctions against abortion, then you are pro-choice.
pilly wrote: » Please don't justify yourself to the likes of that Jan, I won't. It doesn't deserve any response. It's random ravings of a religious nut.
eviltwin wrote: » Well I'm confused. You've been arguing that abortion is the killing of a baby, that the unborn should be treated as individuals, that they deserve the same legal protection as the living.... Why then do you not support legal sanctions for abortions here? I'm genuinely confused by this. If you believe an unborn baby is as equal to a living baby then why wouldn't you want it's death, or murder if you are it that way, to be investigated and punished accordingly?
