WinnyThePoo wrote: » Problems in the middle east didn't start with Obama or even bush. American intrusion started well back in the seventies. Blaming isis on Obama. That's an uneducated claim.
Leroy42 wrote: » Corporate America is doing just fine (doesn't Trump keep telling us about all the jobs and stock market growth) so why the need for a taxpayer funded handout?
Billy86 wrote: » Cheers as I had missed that - but it does not say a single thing about North Korea. Some corrections though - the Russians did not change their stance on Clinton due to being worried about some inevitable war. If you want to try to claim that, you'd need to show how she did a 180 or made huge changes as a politicians from about 2009-2012 as in 2009 they were celebrating what proved to be a failed 'reset' of relations with her. But you're claiming she was always a war monger, certainly at the very least back to 2002, so that's not it. The reason the Russians changed their stance and became so heavily involved was because of sanctions brought about from the Magnitsky Act, pure and simple. That is what changed in that time frame, not Clinton's foreign policy outlook. As for Israel - no, Jerusalem is not the capital. They try to claim it is, but it is not internationally recognised. If as you put it "[Jerusalem] is the capital and has been agreed in the US since the Clinton administration" then there would be no need for a UN vote on it. And if the change were not a big one that could cause catastrophic issues in the region, then then you wouldn't have seen as good as every other member of the UN vote against it. Don't try using 'the US and Israel's connection' as an excuse by the way - that relationship has been there for decades, yet it took an idiot of, well, Trumpian proportions to try and force the rest of the world into accepting Jerusalem as the capital. "Guatemala followed suit and other nations are expected to as well" - what are you talking about here? Guatemala have no clout, and you won't be seeing world leaders following behind just because 'Guatemala did it too'. If others were going to follow, Trump would have been hosting his party for leaders of places other than Nauru, Micronesia and Togo. It's about as likely to pass through the UN as an Obamacare repeal is likely to get over 70 votes in the Senate. Nope, that was Bush. then it ramped up under Obama as the technology became even more readily available, and is continuing to do so under Trump. Yet not a peep from you on Trump's usage of drones outpacing Obama's by far despite how strongly you felt about it only 12 months ago. Wrong there, but it certainly explains why you seem to have the impression I'm a big supporter of Hillary Clinton. Here's the problem, and it alludes to the irony in your statement above - if Obama had done exactly what Trump did with China, you'd be unhappy with it. Warmongering and all of that. As of late September, he was going at over 4 times the pace Obama had been - http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/09/loosen-obama-limits-drone-strikes-170922141205178.html Also as of September, total bombs dropped surpassed all of 2016 - http://www.newsweek.com/trump-era-record-number-bombs-dropped-middle-east-667505 And as for targetting, from Jan-Aug this year they had caused more deaths than in the three years combined - http://www.newsweek.com/trump-has-already-killed-more-civilians-obama-us-fight-against-isis-653564 . Don't forget though - that is exactly what Trump said he would do during the campaign while his supporters were busy jumping up and down about isolationism, world peace, etc etc. You were extremely interested in drone strikes, impact, civilian casualties, total numbers etc right up until about January... I thought you might have been aware, but you seem to have completely stopped tracking any news on them right around that point in time.
Leroy42 wrote: » We are completely different nations, with completely different markets and advantages. The US is the biggest market in the world. It has resources, workforce, education etc etc. Having a large presence in the US market practically sells your product in the rest of the world. We need to do something to differentiate ourselves due to the lack of any advantages, US does not have the same issue. I am not against the lowering of the CT rate, but to give such a dramatic reduction, whilst at the same time giving such low amounts to the lower/middle classes strikes me as the wrong way around. Corporate America is doing just fine (doesn't Trump keep telling us about all the jobs and stock market growth) so why the need for a taxpayer funded handout? Of course but they would have done some within some accepted norms, like being qualified. Have you looked at the diversity of Obamas pick as opposed to Trumps?http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-blacks-judges-20171113-story.html Really, you think UK only started hating EU when Obama was elected? Obama steaded a sinking world economy, a problem that the EU seemed totally unable to solve. And wasn't it Trump that openly wanted Brexit, best buds with Farrange?
JRant wrote: » I think you've hit the nail on the head. Regardless of who won, the Russians appeared to be playing all sides. If Clinton won you could easily imagine a similar type of investigation taking place. All with the goal of undermining democracy in the USA. Money has completely corrupted both parties but how do you put that genie back in the bottle?
StringerBell wrote: » Why bother pretending not to read someones posts, then go ahead and continue to respond to each one? Bizarre
SeamusFX wrote: » What is wrong with everyone? There is one extremely corrupt party and we all know which party that is!!!!! Yes, no one is perfect, but the GOP crooks take the cake by a million miles. There is no real connection between Hillary and Russia and that has been debunked and it was only a story because Fox News and the Right wing crazies made it up and tried to connect some dots and the Liar in Chief ranted on about it and all the dupes in America believe him without checking any facts. I can't understand how anyone could believe anything Trump says without confirming the truth, as the man has zero credibility! So the bottom line is Trump was in bed with the Russians, the Russians also tried to help Stein, but only to take votes away from Hillary. Stein probably didn't know the Russians were helping her, but Trump definitely knew the Russians were helping him, there's so much evidence and a smoking gun, it's just a matter of time before he goes down, unless the totally corrupt and morally bankrupt GOP prevents it!
RobertKK wrote: » The Democrats primaries ended up with the chairwoman having to resign, for having staff backing one candidate over the other. Both parties are as bad as each other.
SeamusFX wrote: » Sorry RobertKKK, big difference!! That's like saying both Charles Manson and a little old lady who didn't pay her TV License are both criminals and both the same!!! The Democrats aren't perfect, but what Trump and the GOP are doing is treasonous. I'm sick of Republicans saying both sides are bad and we had a choice between two terrible candidates. That's complete BS, Hillary is far from perfect, but Trump is a complete nightmare!! If the truth about Trump was in a fiction novel a few years ago, no one would read it, as they'd be saying it was too unbelievable and too ridiculous.
RobertKK wrote: » They are all the same. It is just the perception. Imagine if Trump had been given questions before a debate that his opponents didn't get. Wouldn't be the most democratic process giving one an advantage in an election. Imagine if the Republicans had worked against Trump's opponents in the Republican party. The party got the candidate they didn't want. The Democrats hierarchy ironically worked to get the candidate they wanted when the alternative would probably have won the whole election, but it was her turn... If a party can operate that way internally, you should be wondering how they operate externally. It would be foolish to think all the under handed scheming stopped when it came to external matters. I wouldn't trust any of them, Democrats or Republicans.
SeamusFX wrote: » You are Delusional!! As I said before the election, if the GOP searched all of the US they couldn't have found a candidate worse than Trump, with the possible exception of Charlie Manson! Now that Manson is dead, Trump is by far the worst and the most destructive and I honestly believe, while he was alive, Charlie would have done a better job! Trump is destroying the country, giving all he can to the rich, milking every cent he can get, appointing crazy unqualified judges, giving control to the Russians, causing internal dissent between different races and classes in America, prompting trouble in the Middle East and North Korea, where either could possibly lead to world destruction. But people are walking around with blinders and think Hillary is the same, because her husband got a BJ.
RobertKK wrote: » The alternative to Trump was a person who supported every war going as a politician. It is not like Trump had great competition. It doesn't matter if Bill got a BJ, Hillary had a record of own which was nothing special when she had power. Your Charles Manson talk shows you are not taking this seriously and I am coming around to thinking your misspelling of my username may not have been a mistake...
monnies wrote: » after the clinton corporation and obama fukked libya, now there are actual slave markeets again in libya obama literally brought back slavery to africa, liberals will defend this :rolleyes:
SeamusFX wrote: » Robert, you need to take off your blinders! Let me guess, you are either a Big anti-abortion, anti-gay, racist or wannabe millionaire. The scary thing is America is filled with racists, anti-abortion people or people who are delusional and think they'll be millionaires some day, so they vote Republican no matter what and they ignore everything else. Where do you get this BS saying Hillary supported every war? Meanwhile, the 2 wars the US is fighting were both started by GOP Bush! Yes, I'm disappointed that Obama didn't do more to end the wars he inherited, but at least he didn't start anymore. Meanwhile trump looks like he's doing everything he can to instigate a few more wars and all we need is one big one to end it all! Finally, i was totally serious about Charlie Manson, he epitomizes one of the worst people in the world today (or at least at the time of the election). Maybe Ted Bundy or John Wayne Gacy are worse, but they were dead at the time of the election. Have you not seen all the trouble Trump has been causing, all the lies he spews. Anyone who can support such a loose cannon, is not taking anything serious! As I said before, Trump is one of the worst people in America and only because of a combination of his daddy's money and dumb luck, the man isn't in prison or dead. Say all you want about Hillary, Trump is a mental case and not good for America or the world and if you can't see that, there's no use in debating with you.
Itssoeasy wrote: » Doug Jones will be certified later as the winner of the Alabama senate election. So Roy Moore can talk all he wants but Doug Jones will be certified, whether it's in gods hands or not.
RobertKK wrote: » Christy42 wrote: » Surely it is obvious. Do you want to try defending Trump? It is an impossible task and thus all actual Trump discussions must in fact focus on other people. Note that even the main defense against the Mueller probe has little to do with Trump and whether or not he would do such a thing. The main defense from the right has been to attack Mueller. It is a tactic that is being repeatedly employed. Attack, attack, attack because if people look at where the right is at the moment it is toast. It is not about defending, some people only post negative as if there was nothing positive at all. If a little balance is added, it has to be wrong.
Christy42 wrote: » Surely it is obvious. Do you want to try defending Trump? It is an impossible task and thus all actual Trump discussions must in fact focus on other people. Note that even the main defense against the Mueller probe has little to do with Trump and whether or not he would do such a thing. The main defense from the right has been to attack Mueller. It is a tactic that is being repeatedly employed. Attack, attack, attack because if people look at where the right is at the moment it is toast.
BOEHNER ON ... VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE “If you watched him during the campaign, when all that craziness was going on, he was the loyal soldier. And he’s still the loyal soldier. But he and his team, they’ve got their eyes open.”
BOEHNER ON ... THE HOUSE FREEDOM CAUCUS “They can’t tell you what they’re for. They can tell you everything they’re against. They’re anarchists. They want total chaos. Tear it all down and start over. That’s where their mindset is.”
BOEHNER ON ... CONGRESS “We’ve got some of the smartest people in America who serve in the Congress, and we’ve got some of the dumbest. We have some of the nicest people you’d ever want to meet, and some that are Nazis. Congress is nothing more than a slice of America.”
BuilderPlumber wrote: » One can argue about who caused what and contributed most to what. Sad fact is America may have had some presidents who were better than others in the last 50 years but since at least 1967, America has been poorly lead and poor decisions have been repeatedly made. This has only gotten worse as the years go on. America's Iran policy I'd rate at 0% YET no president had the guts to change it and make friends. They would get a positive response. America's Iraq policy made America's Iran policy look decent. And Bush 1, Clinton and Bush 2 only went from bad to worse there. America's Libya policy was abysmal too. Obama was one of the better ones yet the poor policy remained. I don't think the president has the power to change who REALLY is in power. That is obvious. America's double standards show when you mention the names Milosevic and Netanyahu. 2 evil tyrants treated VERY differently. It is wellknown Trump works as a puppet but Trump is not the first or last president to be a puppet to arms industry, oil industry, certain lobby groups, etc. America has created this sea of terrorism, voodoo 'Islamism', gun culture and all that is bad in the world. The Middle East was once the most safe and peaceful part of the world and countries like Afghanistan were the safest on earth as was most of the region (Iran remains relatively safe and that is a miracle!). America changed that and they should remember that. Long before Trump and long after him, the consequences of POOR POOR American policy will continue to cause terminal decline in that once great region.
Christy42 wrote: » You are giving out about others not posting in Trump's favour and yet you refuse to do the same. All you can do is post against Hillary/Obama not for Trump. You are simply saying there should some pro Trump posts without saying whst such a post would contain or indeed if it could be constructed without seeming silly. You want pro Trump posts then post them. All you have tried to do is to move the topic away from Trump which is essentially an admission of his indefensibility. Is there anything actually in favour of Trump? Put up as they say. You complain about a lack of balance but refuse to provide it yourself. Pro Trump posts would provide balance. You only provide anti other people posts. You can't complain about a lack of balance and refuse to give any.
RobertKK wrote: » Christy42 wrote: » You are giving out about others not posting in Trump's favour and yet you refuse to do the same. All you can do is post against Hillary/Obama not for Trump. You are simply saying there should some pro Trump posts without saying whst such a post would contain or indeed if it could be constructed without seeming silly. You want pro Trump posts then post them. All you have tried to do is to move the topic away from Trump which is essentially an admission of his indefensibility. Is there anything actually in favour of Trump? Put up as they say. You complain about a lack of balance but refuse to provide it yourself. Pro Trump posts would provide balance. You only provide anti other people posts. You can't complain about a lack of balance and refuse to give any. I think Syria is better because of Trump, in 2016 all the talk was of the possibility of US and Russian aircraft colliding or causing some incident between each other . The ISIS caliphate is virtually gone. The Corporation tax cut which before the cut was the highest corporate tax rate in the OECD. I said some of these things already, but not everyone reads all the posts.
