Jamiekelly wrote: » There are some things that kind of go without saying. Xi Jinping has used Trump as an example of why democracy is not the best system to provide the best outcome for a nation. This isn't even after 1 year of Trump being in office and he hasn't just undermined democracy in his own country ("I will accept the outcome of the election, but only if I win!") but he has undermined democracy globally. Now, that is a foreign policy outcome that Obama would be crucified for, by left and right, on a daily basis had he been responsible for it. Obama was respected the world over, Trump is not.
Christy42 wrote: » I think people are just tired of the but Hillary would worse defense which is largely impossible to prove in either direction. It is also completely irrelevant. Obama will not be judged on people think Romney will be done. The only reason people are so obsessed with Hillary is because is Trump is so terrible that you can't actually talk about him properly and not him out to he an obviously horrific choice. If Trump gets impeached it won't be Hillary taking over. In 2020 it won't be Hillary going against Trump. She is irrelevant except for trying to move the Trump conversation away from Trump.
RobertKK wrote: » Tell me how wrote: » Swing and a miss Not great debating skills there, you could be referring to your own post which lacks substance.
Tell me how wrote: » Swing and a miss
RobertKK wrote: » Not great debating skills there, you could be referring to your own post which lacks substance.
StringerBell wrote: » Oh yeah, sure on Twitter after claiming he was getting back to work he was off golfing again, and so pathetic he had a truck parked outside blocking cameras from picturing him, when the camera men moved the van moved.
eire4 wrote: » They need a constitutional amendment to overturn the shameful corruption that was and is the citizens united supreme court fiasco.
RobertKK wrote: One could also argue that on an international stage, that Trump has done less harm so far than Obama did during his presidency. Plenty of time to be as destructive as Obama's presidency...
spacecoyote wrote: » Agreed, add to it the fact that HRC won the most admired American woman. I don't know if his petty ego can handle it
Billy86 wrote: » This one is probably my personal favourite from Mike Flynn Jr: "Idiots like this (who probably don’t play golf) have no clue how much business can be conducted on a golf course. That 25.6% is misleading if you think all his golfing is done for leisure."
Captain Obvious wrote: » Such a ridiculous situation. The voter obviously intended to vote republican but he spoiled his vote. That's just tough luck. It's a pretty dangerous precedent to set for judges to be interpreting particular voters intentions.
JRant wrote: » I think we are crossing wires here. You said the fact that I wasn't refuting any of your points was interesting. Hence the "not that interesting" comment. I do think the investigation itself is extremely interesting. Looking at Meuller slowly untangle all these strings is fascinating stuff. I don't think the GOP/Trump will allow him get to Nov 2018. They will ramp up their attacks on his team until they feel the time is right to just shut him down completely.
Inquitus wrote: » You can imagine how much this gets under his skin lol, would love to be a fly on the wall when he found out, its testament to the pettiness of the man that we know this sort of them would drive him mad.
spacecoyote wrote: » Trump will not be a happy camperhttps://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/27/most-admired-man-woman-gallup-319367 Beaten out by Obama to be the most admired man in America. Think he is only the second president ever to not win it *edit - fixed link
spacecoyote wrote: » Trump will not be a happy camperhttp://news.gallup.com/poll/1678/most-admired-man-woman.aspx Beaten out by Obama to be the most admires man in America. Think he is only the second president ever to not win it
JRant wrote: » I think you've hit the nail on the head. Regardless of who won, the Russians appeared to be playing all sides. If Clinton won you could easily imagine a similar type of investigation taking place. All with the goal of undermining democracy in the USA. Money has completely corrupted both parties but how do you put that genie back in the bottle?
Leroy42 wrote: » I do think that the 'Russian thing' goes deeper than just Trump. Trump, appears, to have been the perfect weapon though. I still think that Russia wasn't particularly interested in Trump winning, mainly because it seemed so unlikely, but rather to put HC off kilter from the start. Just think how HC would be being treated by the GOP controlled houses had she won. Russian was trying, IMO, to destroy American democracy. Who won was not really important. Trump winning was merely the icing on the cake but my thoughts is that they were playing on the long game. Russia may not have got the sanctions lifted, but in essence they have succeeded in not only widening and entrenching the divide within America, but also that neither side is capable of either believing the other or in many cases themselves. The FBI, CIA have been openly questioned. The very fabric of the US has been thrown open. Russia cannot compete directly against the combined might of the USA but if they can rip it apart then then certainly can. What I HOPE the Mueller investigation uncovers, primarily Trump, but also that money has taken over any semblance of representation for both the GOP and DNC and that the natural path for that is that foreign money will eventually start to have an impact. It appears that it is the GOP, but I don't think for a second that the DNC would do the same (probably have).
Billy86 wrote: » I'm not sure someone from the complete 'other side' to Trump possibly being involved isn't interesting if you think it's becoming "more and more obvious is that the Russians seem to have their fingers in all the pies"? There could be a tonne there, and there could be nothing, haven't checked but hopefully her hearing is broadcast to see what reason they've pulled her in over. It will also be interesting to see how the funding/propaganda/firing stuff goes with Mueller, my guess is we're at the very earliest going to be 2 months off the November elections before the attacks on him die down. With how the GOP are acting thus far, this is probably one of the most important midterm congressional elections in the country's history.
JRant wrote: » It's not interesting at all really. What's becoming more and more obvious is that the Russians seem to have their fingers in all the pies, so to speak. I hope Meuller uncovers any and all interference. He is doing a great job so far. My only fear is that he either has his funding pulled, thereby crippling his investigation, or it is wound down before he can complete what he has started. One thing is for certain though, he has an awful lot more work to do as this investigation seems to be uncovering new angles all the time.
Billy86 wrote: » Actually I was just posting something I've seen online a few times in recent months but never gave much credence to. The final paragraph in my quote you posted is because as I was typing it, it became apparent that it is quite a long string of coincidences and contradictions on her end. Now that might mean nothing or it might mean a lot of things, such is the ultra secretive nature of Mueller's investigation, but what is interesting is that you're not refuting any of the points I made.
