Leroy42 wrote: » I do think that the 'Russian thing' goes deeper than just Trump. Trump, appears, to have been the perfect weapon though. I still think that Russia wasn't particularly interested in Trump winning, mainly because it seemed so unlikely, but rather to put HC off kilter from the start. Just think how HC would be being treated by the GOP controlled houses had she won. Russian was trying, IMO, to destroy American democracy. Who won was not really important. Trump winning was merely the icing on the cake but my thoughts is that they were playing on the long game. Russia may not have got the sanctions lifted, but in essence they have succeeded in not only widening and entrenching the divide within America, but also that neither side is capable of either believing the other or in many cases themselves. The FBI, CIA have been openly questioned. The very fabric of the US has been thrown open. Russia cannot compete directly against the combined might of the USA but if they can rip it apart then then certainly can. What I HOPE the Mueller investigation uncovers, primarily Trump, but also that money has taken over any semblance of representation for both the GOP and DNC and that the natural path for that is that foreign money will eventually start to have an impact. It appears that it is the GOP, but I don't think for a second that the DNC would do the same (probably have).
JRant wrote: » I think you've hit the nail on the head. Regardless of who won, the Russians appeared to be playing all sides. If Clinton won you could easily imagine a similar type of investigation taking place. All with the goal of undermining democracy in the USA. Money has completely corrupted both parties but how do you put that genie back in the bottle?
spacecoyote wrote: » Trump will not be a happy camperhttp://news.gallup.com/poll/1678/most-admired-man-woman.aspx Beaten out by Obama to be the most admires man in America. Think he is only the second president ever to not win it
spacecoyote wrote: » Trump will not be a happy camperhttps://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/27/most-admired-man-woman-gallup-319367 Beaten out by Obama to be the most admired man in America. Think he is only the second president ever to not win it *edit - fixed link
Inquitus wrote: » You can imagine how much this gets under his skin lol, would love to be a fly on the wall when he found out, its testament to the pettiness of the man that we know this sort of them would drive him mad.
JRant wrote: » I think we are crossing wires here. You said the fact that I wasn't refuting any of your points was interesting. Hence the "not that interesting" comment. I do think the investigation itself is extremely interesting. Looking at Meuller slowly untangle all these strings is fascinating stuff. I don't think the GOP/Trump will allow him get to Nov 2018. They will ramp up their attacks on his team until they feel the time is right to just shut him down completely.
spacecoyote wrote: » Agreed, add to it the fact that HRC won the most admired American woman. I don't know if his petty ego can handle it
Captain Obvious wrote: » Such a ridiculous situation. The voter obviously intended to vote republican but he spoiled his vote. That's just tough luck. It's a pretty dangerous precedent to set for judges to be interpreting particular voters intentions.
Billy86 wrote: » This one is probably my personal favourite from Mike Flynn Jr: "Idiots like this (who probably don’t play golf) have no clue how much business can be conducted on a golf course. That 25.6% is misleading if you think all his golfing is done for leisure."
RobertKK wrote: One could also argue that on an international stage, that Trump has done less harm so far than Obama did during his presidency. Plenty of time to be as destructive as Obama's presidency...
eire4 wrote: » They need a constitutional amendment to overturn the shameful corruption that was and is the citizens united supreme court fiasco.
StringerBell wrote: » Oh yeah, sure on Twitter after claiming he was getting back to work he was off golfing again, and so pathetic he had a truck parked outside blocking cameras from picturing him, when the camera men moved the van moved.
Tell me how wrote: » Swing and a miss
RobertKK wrote: » Not great debating skills there, you could be referring to your own post which lacks substance.
RobertKK wrote: » Tell me how wrote: » Swing and a miss Not great debating skills there, you could be referring to your own post which lacks substance.
Christy42 wrote: » I think people are just tired of the but Hillary would worse defense which is largely impossible to prove in either direction. It is also completely irrelevant. Obama will not be judged on people think Romney will be done. The only reason people are so obsessed with Hillary is because is Trump is so terrible that you can't actually talk about him properly and not him out to he an obviously horrific choice. If Trump gets impeached it won't be Hillary taking over. In 2020 it won't be Hillary going against Trump. She is irrelevant except for trying to move the Trump conversation away from Trump.
Jamiekelly wrote: » There are some things that kind of go without saying. Xi Jinping has used Trump as an example of why democracy is not the best system to provide the best outcome for a nation. This isn't even after 1 year of Trump being in office and he hasn't just undermined democracy in his own country ("I will accept the outcome of the election, but only if I win!") but he has undermined democracy globally. Now, that is a foreign policy outcome that Obama would be crucified for, by left and right, on a daily basis had he been responsible for it. Obama was respected the world over, Trump is not.
RobertKK wrote: » Christy42 wrote: » I think people are just tired of the but Hillary would worse defense which is largely impossible to prove in either direction. It is also completely irrelevant. Obama will not be judged on people think Romney will be done. The only reason people are so obsessed with Hillary is because is Trump is so terrible that you can't actually talk about him properly and not him out to he an obviously horrific choice. If Trump gets impeached it won't be Hillary taking over. In 2020 it won't be Hillary going against Trump. She is irrelevant except for trying to move the Trump conversation away from Trump. It is completely relevant if people want to talk about the Mueller investigation.
Christy42 wrote: » Hillary's potential foreign policy choices are not the subject of Mueller's investigation. Neither is Libya. You are spoofing there to avoid discussing Trump raising the stakes and effectively challenging North Korea keep up their missile program and indeed clashing with Tillerson on this matter as they repeatedly sent out mixed messages. He traded away the US's main leverage with Israel in the middle east crisis for precisely 0 benefit (and it created an increase in violence as was predicted by damn near everyone). Come on. I get this site is largely anti Trump but if you have something good about him then feel free to share. It is hard for people to change their minds when all there is opposing the Trump is terrible viewpoint is "But Hillary!"
