Thepoet85 wrote: » I see he's taking credit for leading the charge on the liberation of the phrase Merry Christmas. Would he ever take a day off.
Itssoeasy wrote: » He's a nasty,vile, egomaniac, who thinks he can bully people but I have hope that he and his crime family will get their comeuppance. Also I'd love for their to be actual proof of god and he to reappear and tell the collective evangelical base and other conservative Americans that they are wrong and watch their collective blood drain from their faces. It would be brilliant to watch, not because I've any dislike of religion, but because I really dislike the way Americans(mostly) use it to be santimonious and all self rightous.
Leroy42 wrote: » I actually has less and less belief that this will happen. Trump, the GOP and their supporters seem so entrenched that I just cannot see how anything will actually make a difference. I mean, bar a complete wipeout of the GOP at 2018 elections Trump will simply continue to carry on. And democracy in America just doesn't seem capable of dealing with a situation like this. 40% odd will vote GOP no matter what (and DNC). Without a significant majority in the two houses Trump is going nowhere and even if they derail his legislation Trump is capable of simply going around them with things like Jeruselum, EO etc. Coupled with that his supporters are simply not interested in hearing anything negative about him. When you look back at all that has come out in 2017, Trump Jr meetings, Kushners lying repeatedly on his forms, Sessions lying under oath, Trump siding with Neo-Nazi's, Trump passing a tax bill that is clearly aimed at the wealthy, Flynn not only fired but not convicted, Manafort, Papadopolous etc etc etc. In normal times this would me more than enough, but the USA has gone completely into the area of no evidence is enough to move your faith. The fact that so many of them believe in creationism, flat-earth etc is simply the outward appearance of a major portion of their society which is willing to accept anything once they can continue to believe in their faith. (be that political, religious or conspiracy)
Quin_Dub wrote: That's no way for a functioning democracy to be.
Manic Moran wrote: » Surprising video crossed my feed this morning, from CBS News. They took a few tax returns from last year, one a single mother from North Carolina, one a small business owning couple from California, and one from a married middle-class family in Rhode Island, and handed them to an accountant to see what would happen to their tax bills under the new Republican plan. Remember when I was surprised by the apparent reduction in my tax bill the basic calculator showed me a day or two ago? These families were surprised as well.https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/how-the-tax-bill-will-affect-the-returns-of-three-american-families/
Manic Moran wrote: Surprising video crossed my feed this morning, from CBS News. They took a few tax returns from last year, one a single mother from North Carolina, one a small business owning couple from California, and one from a married middle-class family in Rhode Island, and handed them to an accountant to see what would happen to their tax bills under the new Republican plan.
dudara wrote: Pity there’s no text summary. Can you summarise? Can’t really watch videos at the moment
Itssoeasy wrote: » I saw Donald trumps tweet about him claiming to have reclaimed Christmas next to a tweet from 2010 where he used the term happy holidays, not merry christmas. He's a nasty,vile, egomaniac, who thinks he can bully people but I have hope that he and his crime family will get their comeuppance. Also I'd love for their to be actual proof of god and he to reappear and tell the collective evangelical base and other conservative Americans that they are wrong and watch their collective blood drain from their faces. It would be brilliant to watch, not because I've any dislike of religion, but because I really dislike the way Americans(mostly) use it to be santimonious and all self rightous.
ECO_Mental wrote: » Putin played a blinder......
recedite wrote: » Happy Christmas to you too. Surely the fact that The Donald was made POTUS is proof enough, in itself, of God's existence?
ECO_Mental wrote: » When you consider that the entire election came down to about 100,000 votes in those critical swing states makes you wonder alright. As you say Stein would have only taken votes from Hillary. Putin played a blinder......
Billy86 wrote: » What is very interesting is that Jill Stein has been forced to hand over election documents and I think I heard has been called in for questioning by Mueller. This could really be anything, there's a huge chance it's just him talking to all candidates just to cover bases etc, it could be to see what is behind her claims around the election (wanting recounts etc), or it could be something else. Completely unfounded here but just kind of interesting is the conspiracy theory that she's seen as a suspect, which would be kind of interesting. - She campaigned most in states competitive between Trump and Clinton (where she was only ever going ot take votes away from Clinton) for some reason and apparently by a distance, barely even touched deep red territory (which I guess makes sense given how hard a sell that would be) but also completely avoiding safe and deep blue states... which is weird as a tactic. Remember that party's in the US need to get 5% of the vote for federal funding moving forward, and I think it is 15% for equal coverage (being in debates, etc) so chasing a loose few thousand votes in Wisconsin when there are much, much more to be gotten in far bigger, bluer areas makes absolutely no sense. - For some bizarre reason she was attacking Clinton far more aggressively than Trump throughout, even saying Trump would be a 'less dangerous' president than Clinton. She was a big pusher of the Clinton = NATO = Big Giant Nuclear WW3 theory, literally calling it "the Cuban missile crisis in reverse." - She was shouting about Russian interference immediately (as were others) and pushed hard for the voting machines to be looked at, which was always a moronic suggestion as I said at the time because it would be way, way too blatant of a way to go about it. This acted as perfect defense back in Nov/Dec/Jan about claims of election interference for those who remember... and why would she call for it if she felt Clinton was 'more dangerous' than Trump in the first place? - Weirder yet, she has since gone on in recent months to claim that there is "not much evidence" of Russian interference. Despite calling for the recounts? - She is also doing a Trump, simultaneously claiming that she met Putin and did not meet Putin, despite being pictured with Putin. - Remember the dinner Mike Flynn had with Putin that really kick started a good few questions being asked over him? Someone else was at that dinner too - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696 . She had also met with Sergei Lavroc around that time and was very close to putting Ajamu Bakara as her running partner, who is very anti-NATO and has been highly pro-Russia in the past, to the point of claiming the shooting down of the Malaysian flight back in 2014 (over Ukraine, not the Indian ocean one!) was a false flag conspiracy against the Russians, and that the US was supporting a Nazi coup into the Crimea area, that the US is behind Boko Haram, that Bernie Sanders was running a white supremacist campaign and on and on. - Stein herself was a big advocate that the 2014 Ukrainian revolution (hi, Paul Manafort!) was a 'coup' formulated by the US. Of course she was never ever going to win the election last year, but if by some random madness she had won, that would have made her the only world leader of any nation to hold such a view... well along with Putin himself and the head of Kazhakstan. - The Greens in the US are completely irrelevant and the highest office Stein has held was 'Lexington Town Meeting Representative, Precinct 2' - in a town with a population of 30,000 (less than Leitrim). She ran for Massachusetts governor and... finished last, with 1.2% of the vote. What exactly is she doing sitting at the table with Putin? Not just at a function with it should be mentioned, sharing the same table for dinner, along with Mike Flynn. - Remembering that Stein is from the Green Party, it is interesting that even Russian environmentalists were highly critical of her visit to Putin as being against what she was supposed to be standing for as he party's leader, calling her comments "shocking" and saying she was acting as an "accomplice" of the Kremlin's agenda - http://www.newsweek.com/russian-green-activists-brand-us-green-party-accomplice-putin-496359 - Despite the Green in the US being irrelevant, their 2016 debate was broadcast over RT, who made big efforts to promote Stein - despite a lot of Green party members actively boycotting the debate because Stein had given RT the right to broadcast it, she continued to promote this heavily. - Her campaign received a lot of backing from fake Russian Facebook and Twitter, etc accounts - https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/26/facebook-russia-trump-sanders-stein-243172 - Why would Putin back a far left candidate at the same time as a far right one? Look up Vladislav Surkov for your answer - basically, play everyone against everyone, plant in lots of lies from all sides mixed in with a tiny handful of truths, and watch society capitulate as they lose track of what is real/true and what isn't. Even with all the above, it's very possible that this is just a case of wild levels of incompetence from Stein and the Greens around here plus Russian backing in social media etc that would not necessarily have to have any link to her (see: many 'Bernie Bros' trolls), while she and some around her are tinfoil hat wearing weirdos who make contradictory claims, that Putin just happens to like to have dinner with, that national broadcaster RT feel are worthy of broadcasting the debates of for whatever reason despite their being a 1-2% party, who Russian human rights advocates and environmentalists are perplexed by due to their close and pally relations with a regime (Russia) that one would think would be almost antithetical to what they (The Green Party) would tend to stand for. Either way it will be interesting to see how that develops.
JRant wrote: » So what you're implying is that there were 2 presidential candidates in the pocket of their evil Russian overlords? Scrap that, at this stage were any of the candidates not under Russian control. We have links between the Trump campaign and certain Russian individuals. Stein now being implicated and HRC getting over $140 million , by way of Russian donations to her foundation, around the time of the Uranium One deal. The whole thing stinks to high heaven and it appears more likely that there was some Russian interference in all of the campaigns. Bernie, with his socailist views, needs to thread carefully before he ends up before Meuller.
Hande hoche! wrote: » Well according to Louise Mensch's twitter ranting, Bernie is a Russian agent. Evan McMullin is still okay though.
aloyisious wrote: » There's still no final decision on the Virginia Congress-seat vote outcome.... 26/12/2017http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/democrats-to-file-legal-challenge-asking-court-to-reconsider-erroneous/article_4634bd39-bac2-59b9-b288-a114950fc77b.html Virginia's State Board of Elections has postponed a scheduled tiebreaker in a Newport News-area House of Delegates race after Democrat Shelly Simonds announced an eleventh-hour legal challenge asking the judges that oversaw last week's recount to reverse themselves and declare her the winner. Simonds is expected to file legal paperwork in Newport News Circuit Court Wednesday asking the three-judge recount panel in the 94th House District to reconsider its "erroneous" decision to count one additional ballot for Republican Del. David E. Yancey late in the recount process. The elections board was scheduled to meet Wednesday in Richmond at 11 a.m. to break the tie by picking a name at random from a bowl. Heeding a request for a delay from Simonds' attorneys, the board decided late Tuesday afternoon to postpone the meeting to an undetermined future date to give the court time to take up the legal challenge. Board member Clara Belle Wheeler confirmed that the meeting would be delayed and said the board was preparing a news release to announce the decision. The decision to delay the meeting prolongs the drama and confusion hanging over the nearly evenly split House. Democrats picked up 15 other GOP-held seats in the Nov. 7 elections, wiping out what had been a 66-34 majority. Barring other developments, if Simonds were to prevail in the 94th District, the House would be split 50-50. If Yancey is the winner, Republicans would have a 51-49 majority.
Billy86 wrote: » Actually I was just posting something I've seen online a few times in recent months but never gave much credence to. The final paragraph in my quote you posted is because as I was typing it, it became apparent that it is quite a long string of coincidences and contradictions on her end. Now that might mean nothing or it might mean a lot of things, such is the ultra secretive nature of Mueller's investigation, but what is interesting is that you're not refuting any of the points I made.
JRant wrote: » It's not interesting at all really. What's becoming more and more obvious is that the Russians seem to have their fingers in all the pies, so to speak. I hope Meuller uncovers any and all interference. He is doing a great job so far. My only fear is that he either has his funding pulled, thereby crippling his investigation, or it is wound down before he can complete what he has started. One thing is for certain though, he has an awful lot more work to do as this investigation seems to be uncovering new angles all the time.
Billy86 wrote: » I'm not sure someone from the complete 'other side' to Trump possibly being involved isn't interesting if you think it's becoming "more and more obvious is that the Russians seem to have their fingers in all the pies"? There could be a tonne there, and there could be nothing, haven't checked but hopefully her hearing is broadcast to see what reason they've pulled her in over. It will also be interesting to see how the funding/propaganda/firing stuff goes with Mueller, my guess is we're at the very earliest going to be 2 months off the November elections before the attacks on him die down. With how the GOP are acting thus far, this is probably one of the most important midterm congressional elections in the country's history.
