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Right to a house?

PJW

After watching Miriam tonight, I do feel sorry for the people living on the street, “the true homeless” and accept that these people’s needs/health/mental health issues need to be addressed but...

I can’t understand how “families” in emergency accommodation feel they have a right to a house and it’s the right of the government bodies to get them one.

I was watching tonight’s programme and couldn’t help thinking the minister has a thankless job here as families in emergency accommodation are the highest growing sector of the homeless crisis. It seems to me the more housing thats built to combat the situation the more families will “appear homeless” demanding a right to a house.

Of course there are the genuine families in need but can’t helping feeling they are the minority.

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Fann Linn

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

The Government aren't ignoring it.

I know. And some thanks must go to McVerry, Sr. Stan and others for that.

James Brown

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I wonder is part of the reason the numbers in hotels aren't decreasing down to the fact that they all want to live in Dublin City Centre and refuse to accept anything on the outskirts of the city or in the surrounding counties?

No. That's mostly mythical.

Where ever you reside or where you became homeless; that's the council you apply to. One council can't allocate homes from another.
Also to move down the country you need apply for special schemes, it's not an option on the table when you go on the housing list.
Also, if you are offered a home and turn it down because of location, you are penalised. It's not something that happens as often as apologists claim.

I would dearly love to see numbers on who won't work yet claims welfare and those who turn down homes because of location.

Galwayguy35

jobbridge4life wrote: »

The Peter McVerry Trust is providing more and more accommodation. They are literally working harder than ever to help clean up the mess. Extremely unfair to suggest anything else.

I never said the organisation wasn't doing anything but in my own view he doesn't seem to want to give anything the Government comes up with a chance to work.

There's no quick fix solution despite what some might think.

Galwayguy35

I wonder is part of the reason the numbers in hotels aren't decreasing down to the fact that they all want to live in Dublin City Centre and refuse to accept anything on the outskirts of the city or in the surrounding counties?

jobbridge4life

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I'm getting sick of seeing McVerry on the TV as well dismissing every strategy the Government bring in while offering no solutions himself.

The Peter McVerry Trust is providing more and more accommodation. They are literally working harder than ever to help clean up the mess. Extremely unfair to suggest anything else.

James Brown

The poor aren't an ethnic group. You or I could find ourselves poor. Finances go up and down. Most of these Dickensian suggestions refer to a mythical class of people who don't and won't work. I'm sure they exist, but not in great enough numbers to cause any big problems. They should be rooted out by all means.
The welfare bill goes in part towards stuffing the pockets of Landlords/B&B's/hotels due to bad management of the state. The bill also goes towards supporting the sick and elderly. Hate to break it to people, but that's what civilized states do.
People should cop on to the fact that an economy is only as worthwhile as the quality of life it provides for the people. High numbers on a sheet of paper mean nothing if we've crises not being tackled, in some cases made worse.

Galwayguy35

Fann Linn wrote: »

As long as McVerry is on tv the less this govt can ignore this crisis.

The Government aren't ignoring it.

jimmycrackcorm

NIMAN wrote:

There is now a momentum among the people to continually talk about the homelessness crisis to use it as a stick to beat the authorities over. Every Tom Dick and Harry is telling us we should built a home for every single 'homeless' family.

I predict that we will get see Homelessness fatigue. It's being constantly brought up that at some point people will turn off it the more they start to delve in, and ask questions. E. G. From the programme, why did no one ask where the father of the woman's children was to contribute to their housing needs?

Eric Cartman wrote:

SOcial housing for low income workers (like I'm sure your D8 street is filled with) is fine, nobody including myself has taken issue with it. What I want to do is take all the permanently unemployed , the trouble makers, the smack heads etcâ€¦ and spread them out all across the country. Give the current social housing stock in dublin to those with a need, who work.

We could kill two birds with one stone, build cheap social housing in dying rural villages and obviate the need to close their post offices, as they would then become very busy.

There's a pressing need to build affordable housing in the city for lower paid workers, but there is no need to provide very expensive housing in the city for long term social recipient's.

James Brown

Odd. The working poor should look to the even poorer for their troubles?

Part of the problem was during the boom. You had property worth a fortune, but many were looking at it logically, 'sure I can sell my house for 400+K but then where will I go? Down the country somewhere?' Sensible approach. The LA's, backed by government of course chose a different route. Now they pay our money to private landlords and Hotels.

NAMA is set to give developers loans at a more favourable rate than banks are willing to. So we're entering the building houses business, just not reaping any profit or having any state owned houses to show, so business as usual I suppose.

Idbatterim

server down wrote: »

How is the welfare state causing people to be poor? The taxes were raised to pay for the bank bailouts. Private sector rent is impoverishing people. Not social welfare.

50% income tax over a paltry amount! you are right, the rents are killing people too! my opinion is the standard of living between many of those that work and those that dont, is the same, if not the standard of living of the work shy, might indeed be better than some workers, its a disgrace!

nama has made a profit! the welfare is a YEARLY EXPENSE of 23,000,000,000! also LOL at the likely repecussion if we reneged on the debt, I am not talking about the morality of it... The only people being bled dry to pay for all of it are the mid to high income workers in particular!

Fann Linn

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I'm getting sick of seeing McVerry on the TV as well dismissing every strategy the Government bring in while offering no solutions himself.

As long as McVerry is on tv the less this govt can ignore this crisis.

Galwayguy35

I'm getting sick of seeing McVerry on the TV as well dismissing every strategy the Government bring in while offering no solutions himself.

server down

Idbatterim wrote: »

you know what? i love this comment! hundreds of thousands break their balls every day, not far from being in the work house, so the legions of wasters that Ireland tolerates can continue to complain how bad they have it, with their free travel , free gp visits etc! Why irelands own wolf of wall streets on 30k or thereabouts in dublin, go without gp visists or fork out E60 a pop!

Many workers are majorly struggling thanks to the outrageous welfare state here!

How is the welfare state causing people to be poor? The taxes were raised to pay for the bank bailouts. Private sector rent is impoverishing people. Not social welfare.

lawred2

jobbridge4life wrote: »

I like that you picked up on my name there lawred... interestingly because I lived in Dublin 8 I was able to secure a worthwhile JobBridge internship at a major organisation in Dublin 8, I was able to walk to my internship, I was able to walk to collect my dole plus the fifty euro bonus for participating in JobBridge, I managed to secure employment and have been promoted since. All thanks to city living. Kisses.

Wouldn't it be great if your story was universal eh!?

Reality is is that it's not.

No amount of nearby amenities seems to be enough or will ever be enough for some people.

Idbatterim

Deleted User wrote: »

Bring back the workhouse

you know what? i love this comment! hundreds of thousands brake their balls every day, not far from being in the work house, so the legions of wasters that Ireland tolerates can continue to complain how bad they have it, with their free travel , free gp visits etc! While irelands own wolf of wall streets on 30k or thereabouts in dublin, go without gp visists or fork out E60 a pop!

Many workers are majorly struggling thanks to the outrageous welfare state here!

Fann Linn

Idbatterim wrote: »

right, let me guess! its some pittance of their income they pay? not the 50% some are landing out to rent their own place or 25% to rent a room with in a house share with strangers?

It's not really a social housing problem when people in private rented accommodation are paying 50% of their income on rent.
It's a private rental problem which the govt won't address.

jobbridge4life

lawred2 wrote: »

Urm ok then jobbridge4life

I like that you picked up on my name there lawred... interestingly because I lived in Dublin 8 I was able to secure a worthwhile JobBridge internship at a major organisation in Dublin 8, I was able to walk to my internship, I was able to walk to collect my dole plus the fifty euro bonus for participating in JobBridge, I managed to secure employment and have been promoted since. All thanks to city living. Kisses.

lawred2

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Yes.

Urm ok then jobbridge4life

Idbatterim

Deleted User wrote: »

What are you blathering on about.
Social housing is not free FFS
It's linked to the income of the inhabitants (all, including any adult children in residence)

right, let me guess! its some pittance of their income they pay? not the 50% some are landing out to rent their own place or 25% to rent a room with in a house share with strangers?

jobbridge4life

lawred2 wrote: »

?

Concentrations in cities has proven immensely successful hasn't it?

Yes.

lawred2

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So you mean you want to turn rural villages into projects (you know like Ballymun in Dublin and Knocknaheeny in Cork). Because projects have such a history of succeeding.

So these people have no jobs, so in the main have no transport. Are you going to buy them cars?
Their kids are now miles from any city facilities, are you going to build a pool, soccer pitches, rugby pitches?
How are they going to get to college? You've said that you will put jobs in the area (yet to be explained), what about education. I assume that your "Jobs" will not provide enough for student digs in Dublin/Cork?

Who is going to look after their elderly relatives, now that you have forced them out of easy reach?
Have you planned for the extra hospital/nursing beds or carers, which will now be required in the city?

How do you plan to integrate the city folk, who have no experience of living in the country, with the local residents?
Are you going to build cinemas, restaurants, supermarkets yourself or are you going to wait for the market to catch up? If yourself and you going to subsidise these businesses? For how much and how long?
Will the local residents be consulted before you drop several hundred people into their community?

What jobs are you putting there? They will have to be non-skilled as I assume that these people will have low levels of education. How many people are you planning on moving out there, given the level of population that you will need to man a facility (why are we not able to do this for the current rural population by the way).

What housing are you going to provide? Will this be free? Are you planning on forcing (cleansing) these people from their homes?

You are talking absolute complete fascist horsesh1t

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Concentrations in cities has proven immensely successful hasn't it?

All these amenities on their doorsteps currently.. The upward mobility must be staggering..

You don't change mindsets with amenities.

jm08

Deleted User wrote: »

So you mean you want to turn rural villages into projects (you know like Ballymun in Dublin and Knocknaheeny in Cork). Because projects have such a history of succeeding.

So these people have no jobs, so in the main have no transport. Are you going to buy them cars?
Their kids are now miles from any city facilities, are you going to build a pool, soccer pitches, rugby pitches?
How are they going to get to college? You've said that you will put jobs in the area (yet to be explained), what about education. I assume that your "Jobs" will not provide enough for student digs in Dublin/Cork?

Who is going to look after their elderly relatives, now that you have forced them out of easy reach?
Have you planned for the extra hospital/nursing beds or carers, which will now be required in the city?

How do you plan to integrate the city folk, who have no experience of living in the country, with the local residents?
Are you going to build cinemas, restaurants, supermarkets yourself or are you going to wait for the market to catch up? If yourself and you going to subsidise these businesses? For how much and how long?
Will the local residents be consulted before you drop several hundred people into their community?

What jobs are you putting there? They will have to be non-skilled as I assume that these people will have low levels of education. How many people are you planning on moving out there, given the level of population that you will need to man a facility (why are we not able to do this for the current rural population by the way).

What housing are you going to provide? Will this be free? Are you planning on forcing (cleansing) these people from their homes?

You are talking absolute complete fascist horsesh1t

I really don't know how country people manage to get an education, some even get to college, buy food, learn to swim or produce the best GAA players in the country. Even managed to produce the odd good soccer player like Shane Long, Kevin Doyle or Seamus Coleman.

lawred2

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What are you blathering on about.
Social housing is not free FFS
It's linked to the income of the inhabitants (all, including any adult children in residence)

Does this linkage come close to market rates? Or likely mortgage repayment rates were the house purchased at market rates?

No council property should ever have been sold on to occupants.

What a huge kick in the balls for everyone else paying the taxes to fund such nonsense.

Harry Palmr

On this topic here;'s an interesting long article about a phenomena that I knew nothing of until today - bussing the homeless around the Unites States to massage official figures and "get rid" of a problem in a given area (by transporting to a different one)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/20/bussed-out-america-moves-homeless-people-country-study

Owryan wrote: »

They have strong links to the Freeman movement and other far left leaning groups but hey if it means i get a house for free I'm all in.

OT, but the "freeman" movement would not be a leftist movement.

jobbridge4life

Baron de Charlus wrote: »

It isn't. There's 79 districts classed as unemployment blackspots. None are in Dublin 8.

Apologies. When I was unemployed I received a letter informing that I was being put on a some kind of enhanced/fasttracked intervention because Dublin 8 (where I live) was a long term unemployment area, they may not have used the exact term 'unemployment blackspot' and it was several years ago now.

[Deleted User]

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Now here's a thought right out of 1984

Bring back the workhouse

Chips Lovell

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Mate Dublin 8 is an unemployment blackspot.

It isn't. There's 79 districts classed as unemployment blackspots. None are in Dublin 8.

LeinsterDub

Eric Cartman wrote: »

being unemployed is (sadly) not a crime.

Now here's a thought right out of 1984

[Deleted User]

Eric Cartman wrote: »

You clearly didn't read my post correctly. I would be relocating the intergenerationally unemployed / long term unemployed. The infrastructure would be created at the same time as the social housing, bringing supply and demand simultaneously.

So you mean you want to turn rural villages into projects (you know like Ballymun in Dublin and Knocknaheeny in Cork). Because projects have such a history of succeeding.

So these people have no jobs, so in the main have no transport. Are you going to buy them cars?
Their kids are now miles from any city facilities, are you going to build a pool, soccer pitches, rugby pitches?
How are they going to get to college? You've said that you will put jobs in the area (yet to be explained), what about education. I assume that your "Jobs" will not provide enough for student digs in Dublin/Cork?

Who is going to look after their elderly relatives, now that you have forced them out of easy reach?
Have you planned for the extra hospital/nursing beds or carers, which will now be required in the city?

How do you plan to integrate the city folk, who have no experience of living in the country, with the local residents?
Are you going to build cinemas, restaurants, supermarkets yourself or are you going to wait for the market to catch up? If yourself and you going to subsidise these businesses? For how much and how long?
Will the local residents be consulted before you drop several hundred people into their community?

What jobs are you putting there? They will have to be non-skilled as I assume that these people will have low levels of education. How many people are you planning on moving out there, given the level of population that you will need to man a facility (why are we not able to do this for the current rural population by the way).

What housing are you going to provide? Will this be free? Are you planning on forcing (cleansing) these people from their homes?

You are talking absolute complete fascist horsesh1t