nice_guy80 wrote: » This story is just baffling from start to finish To think there could be others out there, living normal family lives with the potential to do such damage.
McCrack wrote: » In particularly infamous or gruesome murders the murderer or murderers will often be well remembered Think mark chapman, moors murderers, ted bundy etc Nothing particularly unusual at that
jobbridge4life wrote: » This is a very important point. It seems to be a recurring point in this thread that the fact the Hawe appears to have put some planning into his horrific crimes somehow precludes the notion that mental health issues were involved. People appear to be attached to the notion that unless one is a screaming, raving, stereotypical lunatic you can't have been suffering from a psychotic break. This is just obviously not true. Unfortunately there are countless examples of people suffering from delusional beliefs committing terrible actions, even while functioning in a relatively normal way.
Joeytheparrot wrote: » I didnt say it was unusual at all. But we dont have to make it usual.
dok_golf wrote: » In interesting that in the case of Maire ( could be Mary) Keegan in Dublin in 2005, that she got public sympathy.
Jase Late Clergywoman wrote: » No it wouldn't. You just don't have to say it at all on a public forum out of consideration for his traumatised parents. You can think it, but publicly proclaiming it is totally different.
Electric Sheep wrote: » His parents are dealing with the fact that he murdered his wife and children. I doubt that some comments on the internet are going to traumatise them more than that. Playing the Irish "speak no ill of the dead" is not going to change the facts.
Mutant z wrote: » The only thing what should be done is to set his rotting corpse on fire and flush the ashes down the toilet into the sewer so the rats can piss on it.
Hannibal_Smith wrote: » I guess if the story reaches even one person who is in desperation and stops them taking drastic action, that would be something. At the very least take out if it that these types of deaths are not okay. They are not an option, or excusable. If anyone has reached, or is close to reaching extreme action, talk to someone. Pick up the phone. Steps like Alan Hawe and others have taken is not an option. It's not an answer and it is not something that will protect you from 'falling from Grace' or protect your family. Seeking help and saying what you think is unmentionable, is better than the alternative.
dense wrote: » We don't generally condemn the senile for becoming insane, except of course now when their actions abhor us.
tayto lover wrote: » Do you think it is possible that someone was insane say 15/17 years ago and then became sane only to become insane again last year? I mean do you think it can be turned off and on or can someone heal and then relapse again?
Charmeleon wrote: » Yes, you can have an acute psychotic episode and recover to have a normal life. It can re-occur or never come back. Psychosis is not psychopathy, that is a life-long personality disorder.
tayto lover wrote: » Would explain things that are circulating.
McCrack wrote: » Thats all well and good if a person is suffering from depression or even suicidal ideation for example. Homicidal thoughts rarely feature. If someone is experiencing depression or suicidal ideation for instance then yes they should reach out or pick up the phone - that should be encouraged. People in those positions can have rationality to do so. If a person is undergoing an acute psychotic episode depending on its type they have lost all rationality and yet appear outwardly normal - they are not going to seek help because they believe whatever thought process they have is the right one - however terrible that may be to you or I. In this case it was murder/suicide
Hannibal_Smith wrote: » Hawe did seek help though. Perhaps there was nothing to lead those who treated him to think he was likely to do what he did but who knows whether it was something he had thought about for a time before he did it? And if there is someone out there who has similar thoughts. Talk to someone.
McCrack wrote: » I understand he had attended a psychologist for some kind of counselling and his GP for stress but there was no clinical diagnosis or intervention. His subsequent psychosis did not feature with either the psychologist or gp probably because he was not experiencing it at the time
Stuckforcash wrote: » I'm more concerned about the tragic event in question than nit picking about the English language because it doesn't suit your agenda.
Hannibal_Smith wrote: » Yep...i read that too. Only Alan Hawe can know what his thoughts were in advance. So again, if there is anyone out there with any sort of similar thoughts, talk to someone.
dense wrote: » They say that you never really know anyone. It's probably true.
McCrack wrote: » Well thankfully these type of things dont happen all that usually so when they do its normal to remember the incidence and the killer/s many years after the fact
jobbridge4life wrote: » Isn't that a bit of wishful thinking? I mean realistically a person who butchers his entire family is going to stand out in our memories. Just like the villians from stories?
McCrack wrote: » unfortunately when a person is having a psychotic episode they tend not to understand or appreciate their thoughts may be dangerous and therefore lend themselves open to seeking help. Have you ever spoken with a person that is psychotic?
brooke 2 wrote: » Well, the brutal fact is that we would have never heard of his wife or children if he had not murdered them.
McCrack wrote: » Yes of course. Im not sure the point your are making however
Hannibal_Smith wrote: » Should anyone be having similar thoughts or be thinking along similar lines, they should talk to some one and seek help. The alternative is not an option.
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