Jase Late Clergywoman wrote: » You can excuse it any way you like, speculating on a public forum, spreading rumours, vilifying people and causing huge anguish to the remaining family is reprehensible behaviour.
PeterParker957 wrote: » We're not speculating that he's anything other than a man who planned the murder of his family. Killing the stronger members of the family first to remove a "fight" from others; the notes, the leaving a warning on the door to call Gardai, even the bank account shenanigans are evidence that he was thinking clearly. I have deep deep sympathy for anyone suffering depression, I have been there to a much lesser extent. But he is scum and to try to find a reason "why", takes away from his guilt or tries to. This is not a novel idea but - "SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE JUST BAD".
splinter65 wrote: » As you’ve discovered yourself, there is still a cohort of people in Ireland who are just itching to tell people like yourself to “build a bridge and get over it” “pull yourself together” because they really don’t believe that there’s any such thing as depression or any mental health issues, really. You can see here how the Professor of Psychiatry is dismissed with a wave of the hand. Posters on this thread have been frothing at the mouth for months, chomping at the bit about Alan Hawe. You would pity anyone close to any of them that would find themselves in the pits of despair. No comfort there.
Zubeneschamali wrote: On the other hand, people tossing in depression as if it causes multiple murder, confusing psychopathy and psychosis, saying "obviously mentally ill" as if mental illness causes carefully planned murders all the time is all very useful and constructive.
splinter65 wrote: » Your not a qualified experienced mental health professional.Your not a qualified experienced criminal justice professional. But your presenting your armchair amateur musings and conclusions as irrefutable fact and dismissing or ignoring actual professional opinions. Why is that?
El_Duderino 09 wrote: » I haven't been specific about any mental disorders. Terms like mental illness are so broad that they can easily encompass disorders that could cause someone to murder. The fact that it has to be pointed out to so many posters that not everyone with a mental illness is dangerous only highlights the ignorance of mental illness. But your lack of knowledge of the breath of mental illnesses and disorders is not a reason to ignore the facts. Such as the fact the the expert testified that Hawe experienced a psychotic episode
dok_golf wrote: » Genuine question here. Does anyone think that Hawe was in full possession of his faculties ( irrespective of whether he is evil or not) at the time of the murders?
splinter65 wrote: » I don’t. Lots here do because they lack the ability to believe in that which they fail to understand and refuse to empathize with It requires imagination and wonder to believe that someone’s brain can become so disturbed and dangerous that the person can be thinking the most horrific thoughts and planning the most unthinkable events, without giving anything away. Not everyone gets it.
PeterParker957 wrote: » You're. Annoys me that. Why so dismissive ? I'm stating that I believe anyone who is capable of murdering their wife and children is 100% pure evil. I don't know his mental state. I don't care. I know several people battling varying stages of mental health issues. To use their suffering as an excuse for mass murder is abhorrent. I'm presenting no facts here. I am presenting my beliefs as I hold them.
Paddy Cow wrote: » Do you honestly think his parents are going to be reading this thread?
PeterParker957 wrote: » Jesus the sheer arrogance coming off this post! We're all fools and only people who agree with you "get it" ??? Wow. just, wow.
splinter65 wrote: » Wow just wow Peter. You can’t grasp that your friend with a mental illness is not the same as Alan Hawes mental illness, or my mothers mental illness. They’re all the same as far as you’re concerned. And if your friend is not murdering his family, and my mother is not murdering her family, then that makes Hawe evil, doesn’t it? Admit it. That’s your argument in a nutshell.
thierry14 wrote: » Wish people would stop defending ***** like him
thierry14 wrote: » The man was a piece of **** Mentally ill bull**** needs to stop
PeterParker957 wrote: » I stand by my opinion that anyone who did what he did, in the manner that he did it is scum and yes, deserves to burn in Hell. To say otherwise would be the height of hypocrisy.
tayto lover wrote: » I've been saying that for ages here too. The mental health excuse is just a mask to hide an evil and vile murdering thug who had no care or empathy for his wife and children.
murria wrote: » Why do you think they wouldn't? A friend of mine is a relation of the elderly couple who were found dead in their home in Naas last year. Shd said that one of the hardest things the family had to deal with was the cruel comments made by total strangers online.
Panrich wrote: » He was certainly functional at the time in that he would have been able to write down his thoughts or use a computer as was evidenced by his transfer of money after the murders. To be able to sit down and write five pages without faltering in resolve shows a person that was functioning at some level and in some control. In other words, he was not totally deranged as we might imagine a crazed out of control killer. What his mental state was is obviously unknown but there was a very narcissistic tone to the reported contents of the note. Others on here have mentioned that self absorption and depression go hand in hand where your world view can get condensed to encompass just your own orbit and this can lead to disastrous outcomes. How much control he would have had over his actions is obviously one for experts but there is no doubt that he was capable of carrying out his horrible deed with precision requiring clear mental processing.
end of the road wrote: » but how do you know it is a mask. he can be a murdering thug who had no care or empathy and still have been mentally ill. the only thing we know for definite is he murdered his wife and children and planned it.
McCrack wrote: » A person undergoing a psychotic episode often does not appear "deranged" - at least outwardly or "out of control" - in fact psychotic delusions and thought processes are often not apparent. It must also be remembered that committing violent acts under psychosis are extraordinarily rare
PeterParker957 wrote: » The bodies of four innocent people, three of them his own flesh and blood with knives in their throats makes him evil.
jobbridge4life wrote: » This is a very important point. It seems to be a recurring point in this thread that the fact the Hawe appears to have put some planning into his horrific crimes somehow precludes the notion that mental health issues were involved. People appear to be attached to the notion that unless one is a screaming, raving, stereotypical lunatic you can't have been suffering from a psychotic break. This is just obviously not true. Unfortunately there are countless examples of people suffering from delusional beliefs committing terrible actions, even while functioning in a relatively normal way.
Paul Pogba wrote: » Have the guards come out and said he planned it?? Or where is that coming from??
dok_golf wrote: » Agreed
