demfad wrote: » Using a tool to control a spouse or family member is how domestic violence is defined. That can include manipulation as well as violence.'"If Clodagh felt she or the boys were in any danger they would've walked out. They wouldn't be there. She felt safe," said Mary'https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/exclusive-alan-hawe-was-about-to-experience-a-fall-from-grace-clodaghs-family-believes-36070710.html
dok_golf wrote: » Wish people would stop saying that pre planning is a sign he wasn't mentally unhinged, unless they are qualified psychologists. Do a bit of research before sweeping statements. Also, I must have missed it, but where is the report that there was domestic violence in that house?? And finally, if there is such a report, does it say which partner was the perpetrator of the violence? ( well seeing as there is so much diatribe being written I may as well join in the speculation )
PeterParker957 wrote: » His parents are his concern, not mine. He didn't want to read nasty comments on the internet, then probably best not to slaughter his entire family.
thierry14 wrote: » Wish people would stop defending ***** like him The man was a piece of **** Mentally ill bull**** needs to stop
demfad wrote: » I stated they know he was a domestic abuser as they have said as much albeit that it was hidden. Before the relative came out and up to 3 weeks after the murders they thought he had just snapped. Up until that point they did not know. This is not unusual as most skilled abusers isolate the victim often by gaining confidence with the abusers family. Clearly this is what happenned here. You are doing them a disservice to imply that their opinion of Hawe while under his influence was what they believe now.
Jase Late Clergywoman wrote: » He's not the one reading the nasty comments. And what you post on line and how it affects innocent people caught up in a tragedy is your responsibility.
dok_golf wrote: » Not defending him, but not attacking him either. The fact is, we don't know what happened. Until we do, everything written here is speculation.
IITYWYBMAD wrote: » I don't think that there is a definitive answer anywhere. People are voicing an opinion on an event that is highly unusual. By normal, human standards, what he did was evil, I don't see how any person could think otherwise. Huge strides have been made in this country, over the past number of years, to allow for mental issues to be discussed openly and without stigma. It's still not perfect, but it's better. Alan Hawe may have had mental issues of one degree or another, and his behavior would suggest that he was suffering from some sort of psychosis and possibly narcissism. It does not preclude him from being evil, however. You can be "mentally unhinged" and evil. You don't have to be a qualified anything to have that opinion.
iamwhoiam wrote: » Yes I know you are being sarcastic but how bloody insensitive to even think or write that down .
PeterParker957 wrote: » I stand by my opinion that anyone who did what he did, in the manner that he did it is scum and yes, deserves to burn in Hell. To say otherwise would be the height of hypocrisy.
PeterParker957 wrote: » Yes we do. A woman and three kids stabbed in the throat.
dok_golf wrote: » What happens if it is proved Hawe was insane? Will you class all of the speculation written above as insensitive then?
iamwhoiam wrote: » We most certainley do know what happened and I for one will give Clodagh and the three boys the respect to say it was an evil act .Regardless of the mans mental health the act was evil .
jobbridge4life wrote: » Of course it was. Whether the act was occassioned by psychotic break, a raging domestic abuser, or whatever it is evil. I don't think anyone here is questioning that it is evil.
PeterParker957 wrote: » Dude, you speculated Clodagh "may" have been the perpetrator of any domestic violence. That's so many levels of uncool.
Jase Late Clergywoman wrote: » He was being ironic.
PeterParker957 wrote: » Another who has no clue what that word means. Thank U Alanis!
dok_golf wrote: » And everyone else ( with a few exceptions) is speculating the Alan Hawe was evil, a scumbag, that he rots in hell. All I'm trying to point out that no one knows the full story. As someone who suffers from severe depression, these same speculators are the type of people who tell depressives to "cop on" and "snap out of it", without having a ****ing clue as to what it's like to be e.g. suicidal.
jobbridge4life wrote: » It is a question bosed by El Duerino on this thread and a good one I think, what does the label 'evil' add to our understanding? Does it make what he did worse? Was he born evil? Did he become evil? Murdering your family is defacto an evil thing to do, by any common understanding of the word. I just don't get what difference it makes in considering the matter?
Jase Late Clergywoman wrote: » I understand what it means perfectly, thank you.
PeterParker957 wrote: » We're not speculating that he's anything other than a man who planned the murder of his family. Killing the stronger members of the family first to remove a "fight" from others; the notes, the leaving a warning on the door to call Gardai, even the bank account shenanigans are evidence that he was thinking clearly. I have deep deep sympathy for anyone suffering depression, I have been there to a much lesser extent. But he is scum and to try to find a reason "why", takes away from his guilt or tries to. This is not a novel idea but - "SOMETIMES PEOPLE ARE JUST BAD".
IITYWYBMAD wrote: » It's a way of society understanding what he did.
