OREGATO wrote: » Hi Deezell, just a quick message to say thanks a million for all your assistance! My mate ended up installing it for me today, he did a fantastic job.... Again, many thanks for all your help! I really appreciate it!
deezell wrote: » Skerry, You can do that. The Tado and app will show the local temperature, and if you set the heating temperature alternately below this, then above, you will hear the relay click in the Tado as it calls for heat. The little wavy heat icon on the app will go solid also while heating call is on. There can be a few seconds delay after you adjust the heat up on the schedule or manually on the app before the relay clicks, as the data is passed to the server the back to the stat. Once you know the stat is clicking on and off you can pop it on the wall in place of the old one, making sure you connect the correct pair of wires. If your Danfoss is mains powered there will be more wires than the Tado needs, as it's battery powered. The custom instructions are meant to guide you in this regard, and show you which wires to use and which to park.
skerry wrote: » Thanks Deezell, only seen your reply now. I thought the Tado was mains powered and that I wouldn't know if it was operational until the unit was on the wall, didn't realise it was battery powered. I'll proceed through the setup in the morning so and if the unit behaves as you said I should be able to get spark to install it tomorrow all going well.
budhabob wrote: The stat receiver is wireless (I think) and downstairs, with the control panel in a press next to the hot press. I wont lie, I did read back on this thread but was rightly confused.
Stoner wrote: » TBH there is a point to be made about having too much control............It's most important to not unnecessarily heat areas while being comfortable in the home, that IMO should be the objective of these systems............
Stoner wrote: » TBH there is a point to be made about having too much control. <edit> A HRVC system would be where I'd spend my money on a house now
deezell wrote: » Just a small caveat to those mentioning stoves and HRVC in the same breath. Stoves, open fires and indoor boilers without balanced flies all require intake of fresh air which is not matched by outgoing warmed air from which to recover heat, as it all goes up the chimney or flue The air ifdrawn in via a HRVC will not be heated to the same extent. I'm not even sure if it's permissible to have a stove in a room vented only by HRVC system. I installed an underfloor 100mm square duct from an outside vent to an inside one located as close to the base of the stove as was possible. This at least ensures that cold air drawn in by the stove is not pouring down the back of my neck from a wall or ceiling vent.
Shane732 wrote: » My parents are having a nightmare trying to get a tado installed. Is there simple guide? At this point they have the tvrs installed and the starter kit but can’t get it to work....
skerry wrote: » So I finally got the Tado Smart Stat installed and going well so far but still have to tinker with the app a bit to understand it and set schedules etc. My understanding is I'm supposed to leave the main heat switch on and let Tado control it? I tried setting the heating to off on the app there now but my boiler keeps firing. Am I doing something wrong or is it maybe the upstairs non-smart stat calling for heat?
skerry wrote: » Think I might have answered my own question. Turned down upstairs manual stat and boiler firing less often now. Thinking of ordering a Tado TRV for the little ones bedroom or maybe sitting room now.@Deezell, do you know how I check the firmware on the Tado. It was a V2 refurb I ordered from Maplin so I'm thinking the firmware might be old. I'm wondering will the older firmware allow me to pair up with newer hardware like TRV's and Extension kit. Also would I be better off saving up for another Tado Smart stat to control upstairs zone first before I go playing around with TRV's?
deezell wrote: » Settings/Heating/Devices/Smart Thermostat will give you the firmware version. My V2 is on 47.9 so if you're is not at that then ask support to push the latest TRVs should work fine, the ability of TRVs to fire the boiler via the stat in their zone may need the newer versions. Some of the Maplin V2s had really old firmware. I'd advise a second stat if you want the smart control for the upstairs. The ability to set a reduced but comfortable temperature during the night, increase in on rising then drop it again for the daytime is one of the best features of smart. A TRV in this zone will allow a single room have closer control over it's temperature, as it can fire the boiler for that zone, but all other rads in the zone will heat when it fires. It's useful when you have a room that cools quicker than the stat location, usually the landing, it can ensure that this room's temperature is closely controlled at specific times. Other advantage of a smart TRV is to close off a room in a zone while the rest of the zone is heated. You may not use the living room at all until say 6pm, but you'll want the kitchen warm from morning, so a smart TRV can be used to turn it off until evening while the rest of the ground floor is heated earlier. As you have a zoned system I assume it's by motorised valves. The extension kit is used to control HW schedule. Your HW may have it's own valve or just be on a gravity feed and thermostat. Does your system have a 2 or 3 zoned timer controller? If the boiler is firing with both stats not calling for heat then either the HW circuit is activating it or the boiler is always on when the " main switch" you referred to is on, and it is just cycling on and off in response to it's internal stat.
Shane732 wrote: » For anyone with a Tado.... Thank you for generic instructions but I have some questions... How do people normally set these up? I have the following setup - One zone for heat One zone for water I’ve installed the tado smart system and have put TVRs on the radiators and am putting the extension kit on the water. My question is do people normally setup the system by room? For example for the radiators in the kitchen I have a zone, for the living room another zone etc... Then if I want to put the heating in the whole house on what do I do? Can I have the whole house as one zone? Is there something about not being able to have more than 8 TVRs in one zone? Can you have a tvr in more than one zone? Does the smart stat need to be in each zone? Any help would be much appreciated!
skerry wrote: » .......Only got valve for upstairs fixed yesterday so have a bit more control over that but the stat is a basic dial to set temp and thats it. Is that what you mean by zoned timer controller? Definitely want to get more control over system so I think TRV for sitting room might solve the issue there and smart stat for upstairs in the new year will help too.
deezell wrote: » 1. Yes, you can have just one primary zone, all TRVs will sync and follow that zone schedule. The main stat or any TRV can be the measuring device. 2. Yes, 8 devices per zone, up to 8 TRVs. If you have only one zone, the main stat counts as one. It's bit vague, you can have a second zone with 8 TRVs, it's not clear if the main stat is excluded as a measuring device for this zone while still acting as the device to call the boiler. 3. Does the smart stat need to be in each zone? It's added by default to a zone, as something has to physically fire the boiler, whither it's wired directly to the stat or via the extension You can have a single TRV as a zone , but it will still need to be associated with the smart stat in order to call the boiler for heat, so the smart stat will appear in that TRV's device list, and in all other zones' device lists. The TRV would by default be the device that measures the zone temperature and triggers the stat to call the boiler, but the stat itself can be the measuring device in other zones. As an example, if you group all upstairs TRVs into one zone and all downstairs TRVS into another, you will only need to create 2 schedules. The single smart stat will fire the boiler for either zone, and can be used as the temperatute measuring device for one zone, both or neither. If there is a TRV located in the location where the main stat is ( say ground floor hallway with a TRV on the hallway rad), you would assign the main stat as the measuring device, and all the ground floor TRVS, including the one in the hall, would follow that schedule. You might then decide to split the ground floor into two zones, living room and the remainder say. The living room now has its own schedule, it can be off until needed and then on while the kitchen/ dining is off. Once you use smart TRVs, ideally you need them in all rooms, otherwise radiators without them will heat regardless once the boiler is called. You only need an actual physical additional smart stat in each zone when the zones are physically plumbed separately using zone valves. Each zone now requires a device with electrical contacts ( a smart stat) to open the valve and call the boiler. (though this us easily wired back to behave as a single physical zone requiring just one stat). If you add more than one stat with its own TRVs to your system Tado support will create the zone configuration with the second stat's contacts as the valve/ heat call device for that zones TRVs, you can't configure that yourself. With a single stat in your system it is straightforward, decide on whither a TRV is a new zone or added to an existing zone. That zone schedule is applied to all TRVS in the zone, and one of those TRVs is assigned as the measuring device. It can be a bit confusing to grasp, in that say all the upstairs TRVs might be grouped into one zone, the master bed TRV is assigned as the temperature measuring device which governs firing of the zone, but the main stat downstairs is the actual device which switches the boiler. If HW control is added via the extension kit, the main stats relay contacts become the pair on the extension kit, but everything else is the same.
tweek84 wrote: » @deezell What are your consultancy fees.......fair play to you you're providing alot of information for everyone on here
white_westie wrote: » Following this thread with interest - know very little about the topic but picking up snippets all the time Much appreciated to all you knowledgable contributors out there. Anyway, simple question regarding Tado kit (probably applies to other kits as well) Does it always have to be connected to the internet to operate/manage it? eg: for setup or firmware updates or remote management have it connect to the internet, but for day to day operation can you just communicate with it locally via your local wireless network, or is it always via the manufacturers external site portal?
jarrieta wrote: » Hi, another long time lurker. My setup is similar to some of the already posted, but want to be sure before buying anything. I have a gas boiler with one zone and HW, my HW cylinder is not close to the boiler/controller and there are no motorised valves in the HW circuit or a stat in the boiler, so when the controller timer is on the HW is being heater by the boiler. This makes very inconvenient the current setup as I cannot have the heating for long as the gas will be wasted heating the HW to very high temperatures even if the hearing stat is open (not needing heating). Would a nest/tado with extension work for my setup? Would I be able to set up times for HW to be on independent of the heating (I know that if the heating stat asks for the boiler to be on the HW will be on too)? Anything else I might be missing? Edit: Now that I remember my current stat is in the entrance, close to the stairs, so I would rather use something that I can move to the livingroom or the bedroom as currently it is set at 13 degrees and sometimes it is very hot where we stay and sometimes cold. So I would say Tado is out Thanks!
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