baylah17 wrote: » i think it just a case of repealing the amendment and the Dail will legislate.
munchkin_utd wrote: Will it pass?
Zubeneschamali wrote: » The Citizen's Assembly said that may not work, that having established a Right to Life in the constitution, simply removing references to it does not necessarily erase it. The Courts might rule that it is still there but unenumerated.
baylah17 wrote: » One can never second guess the Supreme Court
Asked about the prospect of the referendum on the Eighth Amendment next year, 62 per cent said they would vote in favour of changing the Constitution to allow the Oireachtas to legislate for greater access to abortion, the poll finds
Baron de Charlus wrote: » But the campaign isn't really in full swing.
Baron de Charlus wrote: » Most recent poll suggests it will pass. But the campaign isn't really in full swing. .
professore wrote: » Whatever my views on the amendment itself I find it quite shocking that an amendment to the Constitution that was voted for by the people at the time can be rescinded by an act of the Dail. Surely this is not the case?
professore wrote: » Whatever my views on the amendment itself I find it quite shocking that an amendment to the Constitution that was voted for by the people at the time can be rescinded by an act of the Dail. Surely this is not the case? It would open the door to a future leader *cough* Mary Lou *cough* to throw out chunks of the Constitution wholesale and set herself as Supreme Leader.
Howard Tasteless Bank wrote: » Had pro-life canvassers around my neck of the woods last night. Passed them on the way to the shop, which is about 200 metres from my house, gathered at the top of the road in their very snazzy hi vis Love Both gear. They'd already been and gone from my door by the time I got back, no sign of them along the rest of the road, guess nobody was very keen to talk to them Apparently their opening line was "Good evening, are you pro-abortion?"
Zubeneschamali wrote: » I don't think a campaign will change many minds on this one. The proceedings of the Citizens Assembly and the Oireachteas Committee do seem to have changed minds, but they were sat down with an opportunity to listen and ask questions of experts. This is rather different from the screaming and yelling we can expect in a campaign.
NuMarvel wrote: » The screaming and yelling is a feature of TV debates, but there's more to a referendum campaign that TV debates. It's be door to door canvassing and people talking to friends and family that will prompt the general public to ask questions and to inform themselves.
Grayson wrote: » And a ridiculous amount of posters. Not that the posters will do anything more than irritate people but there will be feck loads.
munchkin_utd wrote: » an amazing turn of events, from removing a pesky clause in the constitution that stops doctors making a medical decision in the interest of a mother, to straight abortion on demand Will it pass? Polls say it wont.
Billy86 wrote: » More over though, a good campaign is going to be hugely important in swatting aside the constant barrage of lies coming from the United States pro-lifers, which was an understated but vital part of what they did during the SSM lead up.
Billy86 wrote: » A strong campaign is going to be very helpful here - it made a huge difference in the SSM referendum, and while people are very entrenched on abortion the feeling was somewhat similar for that one back in 2015. More over though, a good campaign is going to be hugely important in swatting aside the constant barrage of lies coming from the United States pro-lifers, which was an understated but vital part of what they did during the SSM lead up.
Baron de Charlus wrote: » You mean SSM doesn't open the way to polygamy and marrying blood relatives?
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » Irish Times poll last weekend is 62:26 for:against unconditional repeal.That's well over two to one.
Howard Tasteless Bank wrote: » They're already getting going on social media with sponsored ads and pages, nice fake news stylee. Staying away from the words pro-life though, it's things like Get The Truth Out, Students For Balance etc. Plenty of people seeing straight through them and commenting, but I'd wager that the clued in and digital media savvy aren't the target audience.
Larbre34 wrote: » No matter, those they want to convince wont be on SM anyway. SM will do them more harm than good over these coming months. Indepth fact checks, more donation investigation, personal histories, anything at all really. It may be more scrutiny than the presumptive 'Yes' side will experience, but such is the nature of things. The electoral commission have no reigns on SM.
LirW wrote: » It's not only about abortion, it's also about how women that do not have the rosy start in a pregnancy are treated. There is so much more in direct link with the 8th than abortion itself. And I think this needs to be on display a good bit more.
LirW wrote: » I think now is the time to bring the focus from the Pro-choice side on the poor early pregnancy care that's tied directly to the 8th. The way women are treated that experience miscarriage is disgraceful. Also the blunt refusal in the public care to scan women before 12 weeks, which is problematic, because there you can see if there are problems like Fallopian pregnancy and can intervene asap or simply an embryo that's not developing. Women have to wait up to two weeks for treatment and removal of the dead fetus. This is pretty poor care in the developed world. It's not only about abortion, it's also about how women that do not have the rosy start in a pregnancy are treated. There is so much more in direct link with the 8th than abortion itself. And I think this needs to be on display a good bit more.
Mint Sauce wrote: » Whilst I am all for abortion in exceptional circumstances (fatal fetal abnormalities, rape, incest, etc), and not for abortion on demand but would respect the decisions of mothers/parents in them circumstances, todays turn of events do make me feel slightly uncomfortable. If the Government do go ahead with a change in legislation, that includes demand up to 12 weeks, not sure I could vote yes.
Odhinn wrote: » Why, might I ask?
