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Teenager and child shot in Dublin halting site

Captain Obvious

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2017/1211/926554-shooting/

A teenager and a young child have been injured in a shooting at a halting site in west Dublin.

Not the first time a child has been injured in a shooting in Dublin. It's hard to imagine the kind of person that would do this though.

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Roger Hassenforder

end of the road wrote: »

that is the case for a number yes. not all of them. it is fact they are an ethnic group, it's nothing to do with mythical pc. it's to do with designations based on evidence.

because those who foam at the mouth usually engage in generalising all travelers, and in a number of cases, don't have the same anger for members of other groupings who engage in similar behaviour.

Its seldom someone so eloquently contradicts themselves so succinctly.

falinn merking

end of the road wrote: »

that is the case for a number yes. not all of them. it is fact they are an ethnic group, it's nothing to do with mythical pc. it's to do with designations based on evidence.

because those who foam at the mouth usually engage in generalising all travelers, and in a number of cases, don't have the same anger for members of other groupings who engage in similar behaviour.

I can assure you I foam at the mouth with all scumbags.
However you have to get on with life and make the best of things.

end of the road

Verpiss dich wrote: »

This so called community or ethnic group whatever the current PC name is do not engage with the Irish state on any level.
They don't work they commit crime unchallenged for the most part and pay for nothing.

that is the case for a number yes. not all of them. it is fact they are an ethnic group, it's nothing to do with mythical pc. it's to do with designations based on evidence.

Verpiss dich wrote: »

When people express anger at their actions it is called bashing and hate

because those who foam at the mouth usually engage in generalising all travelers, and in a number of cases, don't have the same anger for members of other groupings who engage in similar behaviour.

falinn merking

This so called community or ethnic group whatever the current PC name is do not engage with the Irish state on any level.
They don't work they commit crime unchallenged for the most part and pay for nothing.

When people express anger at their actions it is called bashing and hate not that any of that community care what any of us think anyway they will carry on regardless.

Many of us have to juggle work bills family and health problems.
I will worry about what is in MY power to influence in my own life.
If that community want to go at each other with their feuds I say let them at it.

Joe prim

splinter65 wrote: »

It’s a sort of war dance.
“ I’m so angry and frustrated about the grave injustice visited on my family and I that feel I want to strip to the waist and bare knuckle fight any male member of the other family to the death in order to assuage my feelings of fury. Please note how well built I am and how fearsome I look. Verily, I say unto you, I demand satisfaction !”.
For a man, hours and hours day after day after month after year of doing absolutely nothing ( wouldn’t tidy up the area wouldn’t put a lick of paint on the house wouldn’t pick up the kids broken toys) have to be filled in some way, and creating an imaginary war with another family is quite time consuming, that’s why there’s so many feuds.

Very unfair comment, many travellers busy themselves doing social work, carrying out home visits to isolated and elderly "country people", often out of hours, and getting little credit for it.

PeterParker957

NIMAN wrote: »

Have Pavee Point been on the radio to discuss this?

Discuss no.

Blame the rest of us yes.

NIMAN

Have Pavee Point been on the radio to discuss this?

LollipopJimmy

AlekSmart wrote: »

Counselling and Mediation services do not come cheaply,and are often priced at a level which puts them far beyond those who are most in need of them.

It would also be interesting to find out of there are any Counsellors or Mediators with Traveller specific backgrounds,as given the,supposedly unique,aspects of Traveller Culture which regularly culminate in "feuds" around the State.

Unless Counselling/Mediation is being provided pro-bono,then cash is most definitely an issue in this.

That's still not 'giving them money', letting then shoot the arse off one another all over the city and having guards waste time sitting outside halting sites will cost a lot more. The mediation will cost a lot less than the cost of the technical bureau, the armed units and hospital spaces used yesterday

Snake Plisken

Vincent Vega wrote: »

I really don't understand why across the board discrimination, blanket statements and overall ridicule of Travellers seem to be allowed much greater leeway by Mods than other forms of hatred

If anybody came on here and put forth generalisations about say, ' all those africans' or 'them jews' they'd be dealt with much more swiftly.

It's in every single thread.

Lol you haven’t read much of the Jew hating threads on boards they run and run, until certain anti-Semite gets challanged he reports the post and the thread eventually gets shutdown due the hurt feelings of said individual!
As for this traveller situation no doubt somebody from one of these rival families is going to pay with their lives, unless the Guards tackle the issue and arrest the main culprits!

AlekSmart

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

I think you may have misread something, there's no cash incentive here

Counselling and Mediation services do not come cheaply,and are often priced at a level which puts them far beyond those who are most in need of them.

It would also be interesting to find out of there are any Counsellors or Mediators with Traveller specific backgrounds,as given the,supposedly unique,aspects of Traveller Culture which regularly culminate in "feuds" around the State.

Unless Counselling/Mediation is being provided pro-bono,then cash is most definitely an issue in this.

end of the road

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Giving them money will not prevent another yesterday.

Enforcing the law will.

i believe in enforcing the law as well. i have been saying it needs to be enforced for years. however, the mediation may also help in de-escalating a situation, so i have no problem on money being spent on it.

LollipopJimmy

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Giving them money will not prevent another yesterday.

Enforcing the law will.

I think you may have misread something, there's no cash incentive here

PeterParker957

end of the road wrote: »

PeterParker957 wrote: »

No. It's not.

it absolutely is . especially if it prevents another yesterday.

Giving them money will not prevent another yesterday.

Enforcing the law will.

end of the road

PeterParker957 wrote: »

No. It's not.

it absolutely is . especially if it prevents another yesterday.

KERSPLAT!

Vincent Vega wrote: »

I really don't understand why across the board discrimination, blanket statements and overall ridicule of Travellers seem to be allowed much greater leeway by Mods than other forms of hatred

If anybody came on here and put forth generalisations about say, ' all those africans' or 'them jews' they'd be dealt with much more swiftly.

It's in every single thread.

It's incredibly hard for mods to be consistent because there are so many and they don't have the exact same opinions. They do their best but it's a tough gig. I do take your point though.

PeterParker957

end of the road wrote: »

marklazarcovic wrote: »

I don't really understand all the facilities being offered to them to settle a family argument,all this help being offered and recommend costs money, for them to sort a family argument. It's actually bonkers.

if it helps any bit to de-esculate a potentially violent situation then it's money well spent.

No. It's not.

RDM_83 again

Vincent Vega wrote: »

I really don't understand why across the board discrimination, blanket statements and overall ridicule of Travellers seem to be allowed much greater leeway by Mods than other forms of hatred

If anybody came on here and put forth generalisations about say, ' all those africans' or 'them jews' they'd be dealt with much more swiftly.

It's in every single thread.

Because IMO
- most Irish people have exposure to the negative aspects of Traveller culture

- they aren't a separate race to majority, it's a cultural difference*

- there is massive issues in the culture

- travellers are very traditionally Irish Catholic in a lot of ways also from what I have seen they tend to be fairly vocal of their dislike of the other groups that boards deems protected classes e.g LGBTQ, other religions, non-white people.

- traveller stuff isn't " trendy" in Ireland

I'm fairly politically incorrect and not arguing for tighter moderation but the constrast is interesting between them and other groups.

* Which leads to the questions like. If an American dislikes African-American culture but is fine with Africans immigrants is that racism?the two groups have very different socio-economic outcomes after all

end of the road

marklazarcovic wrote: »

I don't really understand all the facilities being offered to them to settle a family argument,all this help being offered and recommend costs money, for them to sort a family argument. It's actually bonkers.

if it helps any bit to de-esculate a potentially violent situation then it's money well spent.

LollipopJimmy

end of the road wrote: »

oh i know the tricks used, but it still stands that you do have the facility to remove electricity for non-payment. it's up to the relevant supplier to use it.

Suppliers have to get the ESB to do it, it's not always done, in fact it's hardly ever done on halting sites and all the while the bills are going up and up until eventually it's done or the bill is paid by the HSE or DSP.

Some halting sites are now having the bills paid by the CoCo who have had to install check meters inside locked steel cabinets. The lengths companies and coco's are having to go to to stop electricity and gas being interfered with on halting sites is laughable

Red_Wake

Nekarsulm wrote: »

OK, so you don't like the fact that I didn't include the Kinnehan/Hutch type feud into the general settled population, when comparing with the Traveller population tendency for violent array.
Can you explain away this statistic.
Travellers are 0.6 of 1% of the population of Rep. of Ireland.
Traveller males are 10% of the male prison population.
Traveller women are 22% of the female prison population.

Those figures are from the Probation Service, in case you think I made them up.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/disproportionate-number-of-travellers-in-prison-population-1.3263524%3fmode=amp

Tbf, at least he acknowledges that comparing travellers to violent gangs is more fair than comparing them to people.

marklazarcovic

I don't really understand all the facilities being offered to them to settle a family argument,all this help being offered and recommend costs money, for them to sort a family argument. It's actually bonkers.

end of the road

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Just on this, having worked for one of the suppliers for a long time and sitting near the sales and revenue team I always got wind of the goings on, disconnections on halting sites required numerous visits usually and a cost for extra crew plus local Gardai. If the Guards didn't accompany the crew the disconnection often didn't happen. Also we had many cheques from the HSE clearing debts. Most of this big debts were ran up due to interference with meters rather than just non payment of bills also, magnets, dangerous bypassing and physically smashing the esb meters.

oh i know the tricks used, but it still stands that you do have the facility to remove electricity for non-payment. it's up to the relevant supplier to use it.

Digital Solitude

pilly wrote: »

How many fatal shootings have there been in Ireland this year alone?

How many carried out by travellers?

I'm not talking about the average gun owner with his hunting rifle and well you know that.

How are we to infer you're talking about fatal shootings by a subsection of the gun owning settled population by referring to what you're talking about as "it" and "those guys" ffs

I dunno how many shootings there are, maybe it's just their culture? Whatevver subsection of gun owners it is you're on about

Vincent Vega

I really don't understand why across the board discrimination, blanket statements and overall ridicule of Travellers seem to be allowed much greater leeway by Mods than other forms of hatred

If anybody came on here and put forth generalisations about say, ' all those africans' or 'them jews' they'd be dealt with much more swiftly.

It's in every single thread.

January

Female has now been arrested in connection with this shooting.

LollipopJimmy

Nekarsulm wrote: »

OK, so you don't like the fact that I didn't include the Kinnehan/Hutch type feud into the general settled population, when comparing with the Traveller population tendency for violent array.
Can you explain away this statistic.
Travellers are 0.6 of 1% of the population of Rep. of Ireland.
Traveller males are 10% of the male prison population.
Traveller women are 22% of the female prison population.

Those figures are from the Probation Service, in case you think I made them up.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/disproportionate-number-of-travellers-in-prison-population-1.3263524%3fmode=amp

It's not that I didn't like anything but if you're going to compare then compare properly. These Kinahan-Hutch types you refer to are 'settled people' so need to be included in comparisons. I'm not sticking up for travellers here, I think they are the cause of many/all of their own problems and happily hide behind culture and so called racism when in actual fact they do not want to integrate or be part of a society of mutual respect.

AlekSmart

PeterParker957 wrote: »

And his reason for doing that would be ???? Genuinely have no idea!

This gentleman was to be seen on the RTE News clip last night,shouting abuse in the direction of the camera.
It appeared to be more about the presence of the media than the actual violent event.
What is most perplexing about this scenario,is the apparent suggestion that some form of soft-mediation be engaged in before,or instead of a proper criminal investigation.
If the authorities concede this principle in relation to this group,then a very dangerous precedent will have been set.

eviltwin

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Exactly.
Whose twin is the father

The twin of your man there I took it, not the twin of the 17 yr old

Nekarsulm

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

So you exempted the ones that skew your stats?

OK, so you don't like the fact that I didn't include the Kinnehan/Hutch type feud into the general settled population, when comparing with the Traveller population tendency for violent array.
Can you explain away this statistic.
Travellers are 0.6 of 1% of the population of Rep. of Ireland.
Traveller males are 10% of the male prison population.
Traveller women are 22% of the female prison population.

Those figures are from the Probation Service, in case you think I made them up.
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/disproportionate-number-of-travellers-in-prison-population-1.3263524%3fmode=amp

Roger Hassenforder

eviltwin wrote: »

The 17 yr old is the child's uncle

Exactly.
Whose twin is the father?