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Teenager and child shot in Dublin halting site

Captain Obvious

https://www.rte.ie/news/dublin/2017/1211/926554-shooting/

A teenager and a young child have been injured in a shooting at a halting site in west Dublin.

Not the first time a child has been injured in a shooting in Dublin. It's hard to imagine the kind of person that would do this though.

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pilly

Sue Pa Key Pa wrote:

I agree with you there, my opinion of travellers would be stronger than you have worded it, but this type of incident could easily have occurred in the settled community and it is not acceptable.

It's much more likely to happen in the settled community and when it does a child will be killed cause those guys have an awful lot more fire power.

Sue Pa Key Pa

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I have to say I'd be no fan of Travellers and you'd not get me defending them generally but shooting a baby is so far over the bounds of right and wrong it's unreal.

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I agree with you there, my opinion of travellers would be stronger than you have worded it, but this type of incident could easily have occurred in the settled community and it is not acceptable.

Nekarsulm

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Was the shooter looking for the baby's father?

Have a look at today's Herald.
Front page photo of the fellow who claims to be the intended victim.

PeterParker957

I have to say I'd be no fan of Travellers and you'd not get me defending them generally but shooting a baby is so far over the bounds of right and wrong it's unreal.

I felt for the grandfather (I think he was anyway) last night on the news. I agree with everything he said.

JP Liz V1

Baby John Collins, his 29-year-old mother Lynn Doyle and his 17-year-old uncle Mathew Collins were taken to hospitals after being shot at Parslickstown Green in Mulhuddard. Their injuries are not believed to be life-threatening.

Was the shooter looking for the baby's father?

Boom_Bap

lazybones32 wrote: »

Has pavee point made any comment?

Yes.

lazybones32

Has pavee point made any comment?

splinter65

Huexotzingo wrote: »

Wow... such anger.

Yes. Children being shot in Ireland in 2017 makes me very angry. Wow...

[Deleted User]

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Just another expression of their culture. Nothing to see here. We must respect their right to fight and feud among themselves. But we must also provide them with first class accommodation which they can use when and how it suits.

You regard halting sites as "first class accommodation"...:D:D

Shurimgreat

Just another expression of their culture. Nothing to see here. We must respect their right to fight and feud among themselves. But we must also provide them with first class accommodation which they can use when and how it suits.

Part of me thinks the soft line Pavee Point take towards their own community is ultimately self defeating and causes more problems than it solves.

The Traveller Community as a whole need to take a good long hard look at itself and ask "Is this way of life sustainable or is there a better way?"

Many of the community (not all) seem to be stuck in a cycle of violence, crime, poor education, healthcare and welfare dependence. Surely they need to conform to society's norms if they want to make some progress.

January

Fingal look after the area not DCC

michael.dublin

live in this area, and there is definitely, a few points, that needs to be made, first of all, if you live by the gun, you'll die by the gun. secondly scumbags with firearms should be locked up, and the key should remelted, so there is no chance of opening the door, and before anyone starts, yes in my point of view,if you fire any kind of firearms in a residential area, you are absolutely a scumbag, most of them dont have a clue about firearms.
This "halting site" is an dump, nothing less, a good few times, DCC have been there and cleaned it up, only to find that in record time, it is back to normal, it is a disgrace to the area, it stinks like nothing else from time to time.
So the gardai have been there sins the shooting, fund a few numbers of guns, and other stuff, so is it any wonder that this has happened, how many normal people hides firearms in there home, let alone load them up and go outside, is mind blowing.
I am not saying all travelers are like this, but i am amazed how often they give out about the gardai, and settled people, "you dont understand us, its out culture, just leave us alone " and it goes on and on, but then you put normal peoples lives into danger, it becomes very much a matter for the gardai, and for ordinary normal people.
So now all we can wait for is, that someone is going to retaliate this "attack" and then that is going to be paid back and so on and so on, with risk of lives been lost.
Oh and one last thing, dear travelers all you talk about is, that you want respects and honors, well you are not going to get it by doing this.

Nekarsulm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm thinking there should be harsher gun laws & Illegal gun ownership punishments in this country.

How about applying the laws that are already in place , before looking for new laws?
Only the law abiding are inconvenienced by stricter laws.
Criminals carry on as before.

Huexotzingo

splinter65 wrote: »

All the minor children should be taken into care.
The adults should be given 1 hour to take any belongings and then the place should be bulldozed to the ground.
Not allowed on the housing list.
No rent supplement or HAP.
Any further babies taken into care.

Wow... such anger.

splinter65

Pavee point on the radio this morning telling all of including the Gardai the ambulance and the fire brigade and DCC that we have no choice, we must allow them time to sort their grievances out, why?
Because feuding like this is part of their culture.

wakka12

nullzero wrote: »

Really worrying levels of gun crime in this country nowadays. Any child being shot regardless of what community they belong to is an indictment of our society.

no its not, none of us would shoot a child

suicide_circus

Childer not children
Baaby not baby

PeterParker957

Deleted User wrote: »

Silly stuff designed to get a reaction. The old "sterilise travellers and put them on an island" was probably the first post on an Irish internet forum.

Second. After "First!!!!"

padd b1975

splinter65 wrote: »

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

I have this mental picture my head of certain Boardsie scrolling through their home page, then seeing a post about travellers/single mothers/other easy targets, they start rabidly foaming at the mouth and work themselves into a frenzy. This frenzy can only be relieved when they get their cheap dig in, regardless of the thread topic. Then they can go back to being smug about their own perfect lives.

Children have been shot. Can someone please explain to me what the f*ck that has to do with where travellers get their income, or whether the council or thenselves should take away their sofa? I don't give a damn if the children belong to travellers, an upper class family, or even the mafia. Using a thread like this to get your little digs in is a scummy thing to do.

The children deserve a better start and a better life then that being offered by their families.
It’s not the kids fault that the parents are savages.
Why do we as a society allow children to be put in the kind of danger these kids live in everyday?
You think it’s “scummy” (politically incorrect) to want the innocent children in this non stop fighting to be given a chance if a better life?

Nice virtue signalling.

Unfortunately some us who try our best to pay our way and stay on the right side of the law are fed up subsidising every benefit and entitlement some sections of the community can think of while getting nothing back in terms of a positive contribution to society.

I for one will be making no apologies for highlighting this inconvenient truth.

"Those who want respect, give respect".

[Deleted User]

splinter65 wrote: »

All the minor children should be taken into care.
The adults should be given 1 hour to take any belongings and then the place should be bulldozed to the ground.
Not allowed on the housing list.
No rent supplement or HAP.
Any further babies taken into care.

Silly stuff designed to get a reaction. The old "sterilise travellers and put them on an island" was probably the first post on an Irish internet forum.

Captain Obvious

tabby aspreme wrote: »

On Rte now, it's all DCCs fault for not giving them proper accommodation, tough going when a relationship between relations doesn't work out

There is a certain level of blame to be put on council policies. They bow down to demands for travelers to be housed in tight groups of families. Unfortunately when a family feud breaks out, as this appears to be, all the antagonists and their families are in the one place. Halting sites should be a thing of the past.

splinter65

eviltwin wrote: »

I live in the area and I've often wondered why social services don't step in. The adults seem to be barely functional a lot of the time and the kids look badly neglected.

There’s a terrible history in Ireland of SS taking traveller children away from parents in a sort of ethnic cleansing in the 50s and 60s so they dare not go near them now.
If you have 7 or more kids your getting a hefty lump of SW each week but the men keep a huge amount of it and the women are left trying to manage.

eviltwin

splinter65 wrote: »

The children deserve a better start and a better life then that being offered by their families.
It’s not the kids fault that the parents are savages.
Why do we as a society allow children to be put in the kind of danger these kids live in everyday?
You think it’s “scummy” (politically incorrect) to want the innocent children in this non stop fighting to be given a chance if a better life?

I live in the area and I've often wondered why social services don't step in. The adults seem to be barely functional a lot of the time and the kids look badly neglected.

[Deleted User]

splinter65 wrote: »

All the minor children should be taken into care.
The adults should be given 1 hour to take any belongings and then the place should be bulldozed to the ground.
Not allowed on the housing list.
No rent supplement or HAP.
Any further babies taken into care.

At the rate you're going, you could just open a camp. Concentrate everyone in it. A concentration camp if you will. Obviously not like those ones though.

Fcuk sake.

[Deleted User]

I'm thinking there should be harsher gun laws & Illegal gun ownership punishments in this country.

splinter65

Ave Sodalis wrote: »

I have this mental picture my head of certain Boardsie scrolling through their home page, then seeing a post about travellers/single mothers/other easy targets, they start rabidly foaming at the mouth and work themselves into a frenzy. This frenzy can only be relieved when they get their cheap dig in, regardless of the thread topic. Then they can go back to being smug about their own perfect lives.

Children have been shot. Can someone please explain to me what the f*ck that has to do with where travellers get their income, or whether the council or thenselves should take away their sofa? I don't give a damn if the children belong to travellers, an upper class family, or even the mafia. Using a thread like this to get your little digs in is a scummy thing to do.

The children deserve a better start and a better life then that being offered by their families.
It’s not the kids fault that the parents are savages.
Why do we as a society allow children to be put in the kind of danger these kids live in everyday?
You think it’s “scummy” (politically incorrect) to want the innocent children in this non stop fighting to be given a chance if a better life?

Ave Sodalis

I have this mental picture my head of certain Boardsie scrolling through their home page, then seeing a post about travellers/single mothers/other easy targets, they start rabidly foaming at the mouth and work themselves into a frenzy. This frenzy can only be relieved when they get their cheap dig in, regardless of the thread topic. Then they can go back to being smug about their own perfect lives.

Children have been shot. Can someone please explain to me what the f*ck that has to do with where travellers get their income, or whether the council or thenselves should take away their sofa? I don't give a damn if the children belong to travellers, an upper class family, or even the mafia. Using a thread like this to get your little digs in is a scummy thing to do.

Zulu

splinter65 wrote: »

All the minor children should be taken into care.
The adults should be given 1 hour to take any belongings and then the place should be bulldozed to the ground.
Not allowed on the housing list.
No rent supplement or HAP.
Any further babies taken into care.

Jawohl, herr oberst!
Sieg heil.

splinter65

All the minor children should be taken into care.
The adults should be given 1 hour to take any belongings and then the place should be bulldozed to the ground.
Not allowed on the housing list.
No rent supplement or HAP.
Any further babies taken into care.

tabby aspreme

On Rte now, it's all DCCs fault for not giving them proper accommodation, tough going when a relationship between relations doesn't work out