Loafing Oaf wrote: » Committee apparently set to recommend "abortion without restriction in the first 12 weeks of pregnancy." Strangely three FF TDs in favour but SF contingent opposed.https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/ireland/no-restriction-on-abortion-in-first-12-weeks-say-tds-vkdrmtlf9 I wonder would there be a strong onus on the government to follow this line...
DickSwiveller wrote: » So someone can kill a baby anytime up to 12 weeks for no reason? This country really is sick.
gctest50 wrote: » No, no, no you can't kill a 3 month old baby You would be able to terminate a pregnancy up to ~ 12 weeks
Odhinn wrote: » Strange indeed.
DickSwiveller wrote: » "Terminate a Pregnancy" Ye, kill a baby. Spare me the sinister euphemisms.
Odhinn wrote: » The worst thing is, there's going to be a lot of this, and they aren't just going to be doing it to get a rise out of people.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » Kelleher has been making liberal noises on the issue for a few years but I'm surprised he's prepared to go this far (if true). Chambers is one of my TDs in Mayo, there or thereabouts as the most conservative constituency in the country. I suppose being in FF gives her cover: where else are the pro-lifers going to go?
DickSwiveller wrote: » No, I speak out because I'm sick of the euphemisms, the sanctimony and general idiocy of the anti-life mob. How do you feel about 200,000 babies killed every year in Britain? IAre you comfortable with that?
Odhinn wrote: » Having seen the fate of unwanted children, absolutely grand.
DickSwiveller wrote: » Ye, better kill them.
Odhinn wrote: » That's an emotional and dishonest way of describing the termination of a pregnancy however.
DickSwiveller wrote: » You calling it a 'termination of pregnancy' is dishonest. Call it what it is, instead of trying to mask what's actually happening so you don't feel morally culpable.
Odhinn wrote: » As I said, having seen the fate of unwanted children here, I'm absolutely grand with it (the regime in Britain).
gctest50 wrote: » Go to Britain and do something about it then if you are so upset about terminations over there Or are you just going to keep droning on about it here post after post ?
gctest50 wrote: » Typical, whine all day and do nothing Keep droning on so, post after post, emotive set to max.
Odhinn wrote: » The SF position isn't that suprising, as motions for a liberal regime have been consistently defeated in party votes over the years. Still, dissappointing.
aloyisious wrote: » Sway the 13% towards safe ground, an agreement to amending the wording of the 8th to allow for abortion up to 12 weeks, is probably the better option to ensure women do get the right to choose for themselves, however restrictive that might turn out. Keep up the pressure for deletion of the 8th, with relaxation of the law on abortion as a second, but keep the important in mind, the prime right of freedom of choice for women must be with women, and not some-one with an imprisoning opinion of abortion. As for the 27% +/-, they can be swayed as well. I'm waiting for the "deletion of the 8th will mean the POLDP would have no legal standing" lie to be used again.
Loafing Oaf wrote: » You wonder will they find a way to back out of that cul de sac, a special party conference to debate the issue maybe. It's a pretty embarrassing position for a 'radical left-wing' party, when you think about it: lining up with Ronan and Mattie while FF and FG TDs are on the other side.
Odhinn wrote: » I heard it said that its the northern membership that are most conservative on the issue, and thats what stops a more liberal policy being taken on, but can't say whether thats true or not.
the availability of abortion in cases where a woman’s life, health, mental health is at serious risk or in grave danger, and also in cases of fatal foetal abnormalities and cases of sexual abuse and rape.
Hotblack Desiato wrote: » If you're arguing for some constitutional halfway house, I say no. The 8th needs to go, preferably replaced by a wording that gives the Oireachtas the explicit right to legislate for abortion. The last thing we need to do is put 'X number of weeks' or 'rape, incest but not otherwise' type articles into the constitution instead of the 8th.
rainbow kirby wrote: » Considering that I live in Britain, feel safer having my kids here than I do in 8th amendment Ireland and vote for politicians who would not make any further restrictions - absolutely. I have zero time for those who do not respect women and their right to bodily autonomy.
