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Eir rural FTTH thread

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I made this thread for people on eir rural blue line FTTH please keep here and don't post in Eircom FTTH 66 towns 1 Gb thread about rural FTTH rollout.

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Marlow

fritzelly wrote: »

All the problems with installations not happening/needs an hoist/needs 2 men etc are really OpenEir/Wholesale issues and not the retail side of eir which the average Joe deals with - wouldn't matter if it was thru Vodafone, Sky etc as they all have to go thru the same company
Might be the "same company" but they have to operate as 3 separate companies

That is as such correct. But the difference is, how the provider takes care of the customer, when OpenEIR or the contractor lets the customer down.

And there are acres of difference between providers there.

/M

fritzelly

All the problems with installations not happening/needs an hoist/needs 2 men etc are really OpenEir/Wholesale issues and not the retail side of eir which the average Joe deals with - wouldn't matter if it was thru Vodafone, Sky etc as they all have to go thru the same company
Might be the "same company" but they have to operate as 3 separate companies

Marlow

KOR101 wrote: »

But, to Eir?

Same price to Eir as to other providers. Well .. supposed to be, anyhow.

ED E wrote: »

Can the pair of ye decide between yourselves that one can change avatar, keep thinking yer talking to yourself! :pac:

Nah .. it's a default avatar .. lots of people have it. Feck individualism

ED E wrote: »

If you mean to Eir, Yes. To OpenEir, a bit.

It also matters to OpenEIR. Because on top of the line rental difference, they also charge traffic charges depending on how the provider builds their network with them. If the WEIL (the handover point to the provider) is cross-country or in a different exchange boundary, then traffic charges are added. The bigger the connection, the higher the possibility of getting that sort of money for OpenEIR.

/M

ED E

Can the pair of ye decide between yourselves that one can change avatar, keep thinking yer talking to yourself! :pac:

Marlow wrote: »

The wholesale line rental is substantially higher on the GigE line.

/M

KOR101 wrote: »

But, to Eir?

If you mean to Eir, Yes. To OpenEir, a bit.

Eir must pay the WLR/Bitstream costs the same as everyone else. Thems the rules.

OpenEir have 2.5Gbps to play with. They can get away with 5x 1G subs or 31 150Mb subs. So as they take multiple seats from the table they need to be priced appropriately.

If it were P2P the wholesale costs would be near flat as the only extra load is in the core which scales well.

Marlow

TireeTerror wrote: »

What is the best ISP for the Eir FTTH 1000Mbs service? I think Ive seen that Eir onlyhave a 1TB limit, which is pathetic. So are there any who allow more than that? What about install costs etc?

Depends on where in the country you are. Good few providers with better deals, but not offering country wide.

/M

Dev84

TireeTerror wrote: »

Sick to the back teeth of Imagines miserable 20GB per day LTE allowance and really wanting internet. I have decided to hand in my notice to my landlord and move. The FTTH stopped 300m from this house and it could be years before I get anything that I want. So decided to take matter into my own hands.

What is the best ISP for the Eir FTTH 1000Mbs service? I think Ive seen that Eir onlyhave a 1TB limit, which is pathetic. So are there any who allow more than that? What about install costs etc?

Can you somewhere virgin media cover?No usage limits. 360 meg isnt bad to be fair.

KOR101

Marlow wrote: »

The wholesale line rental is substantially higher on the GigE line.

/M

But, to Eir?

Marlow

KOR101 wrote: »

I don't think the costs could be that much greater for providing 1000 versus 300mbit.

The wholesale line rental is substantially higher on the GigE line.

/M

KOR101

editorsean wrote: »

I have a screenshot of Eir's FTTH page from the 20th September and indeed the prices changed quite a bit in that short time. Compared to then, all three FTTH prices went up €10/month for the first 6 months, down €20/month for the following 6 months and then up €6/month after 12 months. The contract remains 12 months and the installation remains free.

Eir FTTH Package - 150 / 300 / 1000
First 6 months - Then: €35 / €43 / €55 - Now: €45 / €53 / €65

After 6 months - Then: €70 / €78 / €90 - Now: €50 / €58 / €70

After 12 months - Then: €75 / €83 / €95 - Now: €81 / €89 / €101

Sign-up freebie - Then: Premier League Jersey - Now: €50 cashback

That's put the cat among the pigeons in terms of the 1000 package and those competitors that have a 12 month plan. Not like the others to be undercut by Eir.

I don't think the costs could be that much greater for providing 1000 versus 300mbit.

tsue921i8wljb3

Gandie wrote: »

I have the 150MB FTTH package. It drops to about 60-70Mb at peak times. I'm thinking this is normal ?

What does the 300 or 1000MB FTTH package drop to at peak times ?

I'm on the 300Mb package. You can see all the stats from my connection here and here. Lowest download speed tested was 145Mb. However the Netflix download which tests against a server in the eir core network has never dipped below 260Mb.

This suggests that eir could have some peering capacity issues on certain routes.

Gonzo

Gandie wrote: »

I have the 150MB FTTH package. It drops to about 60-70Mb at peak times. I'm thinking this is normal ?

What does the 300 or 1000MB FTTH package drop to at peak times ?

It' shouldn't drop that much using a wired connection, lowest mine (300 package) has dropped to is about 280.

Wifi is a different story entirely with the F2000.

ED E

Gandie wrote: »

I have the 150MB FTTH package. It drops to about 60-70Mb at peak times. I'm thinking this is normal ?

What does the 300 or 1000MB FTTH package drop to at peak times ?

Are you testing wirelessly?

Gandie

I have the 150MB FTTH package. It drops to about 60-70Mb at peak times. I'm thinking this is normal ?

What does the 300 or 1000MB FTTH package drop to at peak times ?

editorsean

I have a screenshot of Eir's FTTH page from the 20th September and indeed the prices changed quite a bit in that short time. Compared to then, all three FTTH prices went up €10/month for the first 6 months, down €20/month for the following 6 months and then up €6/month after 12 months. The contract remains 12 months and the installation remains free.

Eir FTTH Package - 150 / 300 / 1000

First 6 months - Then: €35 / €43 / €55 - Now: €45 / €53 / €65
After 6 months - Then: €70 / €78 / €90 - Now: €50 / €58 / €70
After 12 months - Then: €75 / €83 / €95 - Now: €81 / €89 / €101
Sign-up freebie - Then: Premier League Jersey - Now: €50 cashback

tsue921i8wljb3

KeRbDoG wrote: »

What was the price (install cost, initial, 6 month, 12 month etc.) before?

Salesperson was offering €63 X 12 for 300Mb with Irish and UK calls (€756 per year)

Online price I can't remember the actual breakdown but it was coming in at €20 less per year for the same package so €736 per year.

Today they are offering it for €666 with €50 cashback so €616.

No install fees on any of the above afaik.

All 12 month contracts and you would have to switch suppliers at 12 months to remain price competitive.

MBSnr

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

eir seems to have slashed their prices for new sign ups. The package I signed up to a month ago is now over €100 cheaper. Sales numbers must not be what they were expecting.

https://www.eir.ie/broadband/1000mb-fibre/

Good that it's dropped in price but sicking really for so many people who aren't live yet or will not get it at all. Luckily I'm in an area due to get FTTH *sometime* in 2018, but even the 300Mb package works out at €666 per year - nearly €100 less than my useless package deal now....

Just have to wait.

KeRbDoG

Allison Puny Appetite wrote: »

eir seems to have slashed their prices for new sign ups. The package I signed up to a month ago is now over €100 cheaper. Sales numbers must not be what they were expecting.

https://www.eir.ie/broadband/1000mb-fibre/

What was the price (install cost, initial, 6 month, 12 month etc.) before?

tsue921i8wljb3

eir seems to have slashed their prices for new sign ups. The package I signed up to a month ago is now over €100 cheaper. Sales numbers must not be what they were expecting.

https://www.eir.ie/broadband/1000mb-fibre/

BarryM

Bored Accountant wrote: »

Eir have a regulatory obligation to provide copper line to every address in Ireland, so they can't decide to just replace the copper with fibre. And until they actually win the NBP, why would they go to the effort of rolling out fibre if they aren't going to get paid to do it?

I think I can understand your handle, yes of course they want to be paid IF they win. Meanwhile they place an order for a special cable and will have to hire boats and crew and equipment to drop it in the sea.
I would imagine they would spend about the same, they have fibre installers in the area, the main extra expense is getting it in the sea.
Anyway,whatever happens their "regulatory obligation to provide copper" will involve them in spending money. In fact, on the island, less than half the circuits on the "old" damaged line were active, most people have dropped their landline. I would imagine if there was a better link, such as fibre, a significant number of the former users would re-connect.

Trick of the Tail

I've been trying to inquire about signing up with Eir, as their fibre goes past my house.

I don't currently have a phone line, so their system doesn't have me in its database, and three times now they've said someone will call me back to ascertain if they can provide service.

Do you think anyone has ever bothered to call?

AidenL

Bored Accountant wrote: »

I know people here mentioned that in some locations they kept going and actually covered houses that weren't in scope for 300,000.

Lad I was talking to - they were following the map to the letter for rolling it out and stopping where the stickers on the poles were. He said in one spot, they brought cable down a side rode about 7 or 8 spans and then stopped about 6 or 7 spans short of a section with 24 houses all together that are actually in the NBP.

He said there was up roar when they did Patrickswell when they were rolling out because it was just passing out housing estates with low speed to go out rural. They nearly had lads begging them to give them fibre, but nothing they could do!!

I’m in that boat, it will pass my door, start at the house next door and go about 2km in two different directions past me after that.

Bored Accountant

BarryM wrote: »

Just a by the way -
Sherkin Island, obviously, to be in the NBP, has had no fixed line telephones since Ophelia. The answer from eir is that they are waiting for a cable (undersea) to be delivered from Spain....
When eir was asked about a fibre they said "you are in the NBP, you cannot get fibre until the NBP starts"
Baltimore, on the mainland, where the termination of the present cable is situated, has fibre, recently installed by KN, presumably for eir.
So, when the Spanish cable is delivered and "a suitable arrangement can be organised to replace the damaged cable" it will be connected to the fibre equipped exchange.
You could not make it up.
Barry

Eir have a regulatory obligation to provide copper line to every address in Ireland, so they can't decide to just replace the copper with fibre. And until they actually win the NBP, why would they go to the effort of rolling out fibre if they aren't going to get paid to do it?

BarryM

Just a by the way -
Sherkin Island, obviously, to be in the NBP, has had no fixed line telephones since Ophelia. The answer from eir is that they are waiting for a cable (undersea) to be delivered from Spain....
When eir was asked about a fibre they said "you are in the NBP, you cannot get fibre until the NBP starts"
Baltimore, on the mainland, where the termination of the present cable is situated, has fibre, recently installed by KN, presumably for eir.
So, when the Spanish cable is delivered and "a suitable arrangement can be organised to replace the damaged cable" it will be connected to the fibre equipped exchange.
You could not make it up.
Barry

Bored Accountant

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

A friend lives in one of those locations between the ends of 'strands' and must wait for NBP apparently

I know people here mentioned that in some locations they kept going and actually covered houses that weren't in scope for 300,000.

Lad I was talking to - they were following the map to the letter for rolling it out and stopping where the stickers on the poles were. He said in one spot, they brought cable down a side rode about 7 or 8 spans and then stopped about 6 or 7 spans short of a section with 24 houses all together that are actually in the NBP.

He said there was up roar when they did Patrickswell when they were rolling out because it was just passing out housing estates with low speed to go out rural. They nearly had lads begging them to give them fibre, but nothing they could do!!

tsue921i8wljb3

Vegeta wrote: »

Excellent information, thanks a million.

Actually does anyone know the allowable bend radius of this cable? Just in case I have to lay new ducting myself. Found the info further back in the thread. Thanks folks

Just remember that the installers may want to use their reel of duct rods to pull the cable through. The rods are going to have a larger diameter than the fibre so you would need to allow for that also.

Johnboy1951

Bored Accountant wrote: »

Eir have been flat out past 2 or 3 weeks around Sixmilebridge. They have been working Saturdays & Sundays.
I would think by the end of this week, they will have all the fibre on the polls. Some of the roads already have the splice boxes up ready for splice team. He was suggesting it should be all done soon enough and then ready for testing for golive. So fingers crossed, by end of February I'll have decent BB.

Was chatting to one of them on Sunday and they said there is a big push on at them moment to try get as much done as possible.

He said that the planners hadn't taken into account the possibility of storms, so they have fallen a bit behind becuase of Ophelia. The other this he mentioned was, there is no spare stock of copper in the country to do repairs.

Sounds good!

That should cover about 100 premises outside the village.

About 80 more to be done outside Newmarket first half of next year.

Great to see some movement in the area.

A friend lives in one of those locations between the ends of 'strands' and must wait for NBP apparently

Vegeta

Excellent information, thanks a million.

Actually does anyone know the allowable bend radius of this cable? Just in case I have to lay new ducting myself. Found the info further back in the thread. Thanks folks

tsue921i8wljb3

Vegeta wrote: »

Hey folks, sorry for the basic question here but what type of cable do they run into the home?
I live in a rural house, not built by me, so I have to try and locate the ducting for the existing regular old phone cable before they will return and attempt an install. I was hoping they would do this, otherwise I would have arranged it before they called.
My concern is that whatever the new cable is may not fit through the ducting.

It is quite small. Here is the datasheet of the cable with a diagram of the dimensions. It is the outdoor version they use.

Vegeta

Hey folks, sorry for the basic question here but what type of cable do they run into the home?
I live in a rural house, not built by me, so I have to try and locate the ducting for the existing regular old phone cable before they will return and attempt an install. I was hoping they would do this, otherwise I would have arranged it before they called.
My concern is that whatever the new cable is may not fit through the ducting.

Bored Accountant

Eir have been flat out past 2 or 3 weeks around Sixmilebridge. They have been working Saturdays & Sundays.
I would think by the end of this week, they will have all the fibre on the polls. Some of the roads already have the splice boxes up ready for splice team. He was suggesting it should be all done soon enough and then ready for testing for golive. So fingers crossed, by end of February I'll have decent BB.

Was chatting to one of them on Sunday and they said there is a big push on at them moment to try get as much done as possible.

He said that the planners hadn't taken into account the possibility of storms, so they have fallen a bit behind becuase of Ophelia. The other this he mentioned was, there is no spare stock of copper in the country to do repairs.