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Donald Trump Presidency discussion thread II

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Odhinn

So he's not just moving the embassy to Jerusalem, he's also recognising it as the capital of Israel. Just to make sure he's stirred things up enough.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/06/trump-recognise-jerusalem-israel-capital-move-us-embassy-white-house

Professor Moriarty

"At least 16 women accuse Donald Trump of sexually harassing them throughout the course of the campaign"and assault during the presidential campaign." Vanity Fair

"Time Magazine called to say that I was PROBABLY going to be named “Man (Person) of the Year,” like last year, but I would have to agree to an interview and a major photo shoot. I said probably is no good and took a pass. Thanks anyway!" Tweet from Donald Trump 24.11.17

"The President is incorrect about how we choose Person of the Year. TIME does not comment on our choice until publication, which is December 6." Tweet from Time 25.11.17

"The Silence Breakers who spoke out against sexual assault and harassment are TIME's Person of the Year 2017." Statement from Time 6.12.17

Sweet.

eagle eye

The amount of accusations being made about Donald Trump from all angles is astonishing. I'm finding it hard to believe anybody anymore.

Like there is a big Hollywood scandal concerning sexual advances and harassment and suddenly a couple of weeks later we have Donald Trump being accused of this stuff. You can call me suspicious, very suspicious.

Christy42

eagle eye wrote: »

The amount of accusations being made about Donald Trump from all angles is astonishing. I'm finding it hard to believe anybody anymore.

Like there is a big Hollywood scandal concerning sexual advances and harassment and suddenly a couple of weeks later we have Donald Trump being accused of this stuff. You can call me suspicious, very suspicious.

Trump was accused last year?

Though the Hollywood accusations are encouraging more accusations as people become less scared of coming out of the woodwork and believe that something might actually be done about it.

What is suspicious about the timing? Surely it is when it is the least suspicious (if there ever is a suspicious time ). Given Trump was Hollywood it fits the theme.

Leroy42

eagle eye wrote: »

The amount of accusations being made about Donald Trump from all angles is astonishing. I'm finding it hard to believe anybody anymore.

Like there is a big Hollywood scandal concerning sexual advances and harassment and suddenly a couple of weeks later we have Donald Trump being accused of this stuff. You can call me suspicious, very suspicious.

Trump was accussed last year, and there were rumours of settlements relating to other cases before that.

It has nothing to do with any other case, You seem to be mixing it up with Roy Moore, although why you are looking for a conspiracy when everything we know points to men in power across all industries have, in certain cases, used that power to get sexual gratification from women.

For you to disbelieve the women accusing Trump, you need to first believe that a man that shows every sign of narcissism, has been caught on audio tape a number of times disparaging women and claiming he can get whatever he wants because of who he is, is completely immune to this.

mcmoustache

eagle eye wrote: »

The amount of accusations being made about Donald Trump from all angles is astonishing. I'm finding it hard to believe anybody anymore.

Like there is a big Hollywood scandal concerning sexual advances and harassment and suddenly a couple of weeks later we have Donald Trump being accused of this stuff. You can call me suspicious, very suspicious.

There have been allegations against Trump for a long time. He also admitted that he moved on one married woman like a bitch and grabbed her by the wazoo. Like stuck his hand into a married woman's crotch and had a squeeze.

So no, this isn't really that suspicious.

robinph

eagle eye wrote: »

The amount of accusations being made about Donald Trump from all angles is astonishing. I'm finding it hard to believe anybody anymore.

Like there is a big Hollywood scandal concerning sexual advances and harassment and suddenly a couple of weeks later we have Donald Trump being accused of this stuff. You can call me suspicious, very suspicious.

The accusations against Trump go back years, it's certainly not all come about because of the other recent scandals:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations

eagle eye

What I'm saying is that if it's bad let's accuse Donald Trump of having done it seems to be the play.

I just refuse to believe anything anymore more as regards this circus because it's just become a game of throwing everything and seeing what sticks.

robinph

Leroy42 wrote: »

For you to disbelieve the women accusing Trump, you need to first believe that a man that shows every sign of narcissism, has been caught on audio tape a number of times disparaging women and claiming he can get whatever he wants because of who he is, is completely immune to this.

Including inappropriate comments regarding his daughter.

Billy86

eagle eye wrote: »

The amount of accusations being made about Donald Trump from all angles is astonishing. I'm finding it hard to believe anybody anymore.

Like there is a big Hollywood scandal concerning sexual advances and harassment and suddenly a couple of weeks later we have Donald Trump being accused of this stuff. You can call me suspicious, very suspicious.

I'm beginning to wonder if you're just trolling or not at this point - the accusations against Trump over 25 years ago, and came out in force last year, long before the Weinstein etc ones.

And trying to claim Harvey Weinstein may be innocent because there are 'too many' claims being made against him is... well it's kind of laughable, wouldn't you agree? Yet you're trying to use exactly that line with Trump.

Sonics2k

eagle eye wrote: »

What I'm saying is that if it's bad let's accuse Donald Trump of having done it seems to be the play.

I just refuse to believe anything anymore more as regards this circus because it's just become a game of throwing everything and seeing what sticks.

What part of this are you missing.

Trump has been accused on numerous occasions in the past few -decades- of sexual harassment (and has even admitted it) and has denied it flatly.

He now has the absolute cheek to start shouting at about 'liberals' who have been accused of similar and goes on about how they should be fired.

But then he goes a step further and backs Moore in the election!

Billy86

eagle eye wrote: »

What I'm saying is that if it's bad let's accuse Donald Trump of having done it seems to be the play.

I just refuse to believe anything anymore more as regards this circus because it's just become a game of throwing everything and seeing what sticks.

Of course you refuse to believe it because the evidence is too insurmountable to argue against. Here are accusations made against him as far back as 1989 when his own wife divorced him due to cruel and inhuman treatment, including violent sexual assault - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations#Ivana_Trump_(1989) - clearly the anti-Trump agendists were playing a very, very long con on this one. Stay woke.

Leroy42

eagle eye wrote: »

What I'm saying is that if it's bad let's accuse Donald Trump of having done it seems to be the play.

I just refuse to believe anything anymore more as regards this circus because it's just become a game of throwing everything and seeing what sticks.

Nobody has accused him of murder have they, or child abuse! So its not just because things are bad. Obviously I have no idea if the women are telling the truth or not, only they and Trump know.

However, like any investigation, when a number of different people, unconnected, tell the same story then it is worth at least looking into it.

Simply passing it off does nobody any good. If true you are denying the women justice , and if false you are leaving this black cloud over your head.

When you say you refuse to believe anything any more, does that mean you don't believe anything about HC? Or Flynn?

demfad

eagle eye wrote: »

The amount of accusations being made about Donald Trump from all angles is astonishing. I'm finding it hard to believe anybody anymore.

Like there is a big Hollywood scandal concerning sexual advances and harassment and suddenly a couple of weeks later we have Donald Trump being accused of this stuff. You can call me suspicious, very suspicious.

Did you miss the access Hollywood tape and the dozens of women who came forward to accuse him of sexual assault/molestation pre-election?
Here is a list of previous accusations of rape/sexual assault including a charge of raping a 13 year old child with convicted paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-rape-sexual-assault-minor-wife-business-victims-roy-moore-713531

Lets just be nice and call you ill-informed.

Chips Lovell

StringerBell wrote: »

To be fair, you have no idea what you are talking about so I am not gonna waste my time here ok?

If you want go do some research and come back to me. I don't mind either way.

Less of this please. If you don't think something is worthy of a response, just don't respond.

Thanks

Pelvis

eagle eye wrote: »

The amount of accusations being made about Donald Trump from all angles is astonishing. I'm finding it hard to believe anybody anymore.

Like there is a big Hollywood scandal concerning sexual advances and harassment and suddenly a couple of weeks later we have Donald Trump being accused of this stuff. You can call me suspicious, very suspicious.

I am actually shocked at this. Have you been living under a rock?

Billy86

Billy86 wrote: »

Also the tax bill the Republicans all (I think all? Certainly at least 50 of 52) happily signed despite having not looked at it, and it literally having handwritten corrections and scribbles in the margins, remember that one?

Yeah, there was a $289,000,000,000 error in there. You couldn't make this amateur hour sh** up - https://slate.com/business/2017/12/senate-republicans-may-have-made-a-usd260-billion-mistake-in-their-tax-bill.html

It gets worse. Not only is the $289,000,000,000 'error' now apparently only one of several such issues with the tax bill, but it's being pilloried by the very people it was made to give the money from the poor and middle classes to. What was that about the rust belt, again?

http://thehill.com/news-by-subject/energy-environment/363496-coal-ceo-gop-tax-bill-wipes-us-out-destroys-thousands-of

The CEO of one of the nation’s largest coal companies ripped the Senate tax-reform bill, saying late changes to the bill would “wipe out” coal mining jobs.

Robert Murray, founder and CEO of Murray Energy, said Tuesday that the tax hike on coal mining firms that would result from the changes would cancel out progress that President Trump has made on reviving the coal industry, according to CNN.

“We won’t have enough cash flow to exist,” Murray told CNNMoney. “This wipes out everything that President Trump has done for coal.”

pitifulgod

recedite wrote: »

RTE news bulletins are stating that moving the US embassy could provoke violence throughout the region
I remember when reporters used to simply report the news, instead of issuing their own wild speculation and interpretation of it.
Of course RTE has been doing its best to attack The Donald for a long time now.

It's not "wild speculation", experts on the Middle East and Middle Eastern are concerned about a situation becoming worse. Reporting the news has generally always come with analyses of outcomes etc, so it's not a new phenomenon. Walter Cronkite applied interpretations and analyses.

The thing is, if it was a Fox correspondent praising Trump and ignoring the awful crap he's engaging in, you'd be linking straight to it. Fox for example is awful news coverage. Rte is generally pretty decent.

[Deleted User]

eagle eye wrote: »

The amount of accusations being made about Donald Trump from all angles is astonishing. I'm finding it hard to believe anybody anymore.

Like there is a big Hollywood scandal concerning sexual advances and harassment and suddenly a couple of weeks later we have Donald Trump being accused of this stuff. You can call me suspicious, very suspicious.

I find it hard to believe anyone informed on this issue would make such a post. Anyone even slightly informed knows Trump is a creep. This has been public knowledge for some time now and it seems like you just want to desperately defend him in this case. Are you going to talk about "locker room talk" now next?

Itssoeasy

I see Steve Bannon is ripping into Mitt Romney. I think it's unbelievable how he could call out Mitt Romney and his sons for not serving when the current President got several deferments during the Vietnam war and none of his sons served.

It's amazing that some voters in Alabama will fall for this rubbish and hypocrisy.

Leroy42

Itssoeasy wrote: »

It's amazing that some voters in Alabama will fall for this rubbish and hypocrisy.

I have actually started to think that this line is giving them too easy a time. it is making it look like they are somehow being hoodwinked, duped, conned.

They are not. They are choosing to go with any narrative that provided them enough cover to vote along party lines regardless of the facts in front of them.

They are making a very conscious decision to allow this nonsense to form part of their argument in order to justify to themselves that giving up their morals is actually not that bad.

Tell me how

Itssoeasy wrote: »

It's amazing that some voters in Alabama will fall for this rubbish and hypocrisy.

Leroy42 wrote: »

They are not. They are choosing to go with any narrative that provided them enough cover to vote along party lines regardless of the facts in front of them.

They are making a very conscious decision to allow this nonsense to form part of their argument in order to justify to themselves that giving up their morals is actually not that bad.

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people here are considerably more informed than many of those who will be voting next week.

As I've said in the past, I do not think people in a lot of areas, but particularly deep south, USA, look outside of the groups/media which present the news to them in a way which they are comfortable with.

They may have heard very briefly that someone made accusations but presented very much in the narrative that, anyone can make accusations, nothing illegal actually happened and there is nothing to see here.

Mr.Nice Guy

He's speaking now and has confirmed he is recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital. This is the probably the worst thing he's done (which is saying something).

The sly grin on his face as he made the announcement just highlights how this is all about him and his ego. I actually hoped this would be the one area he might be better than his other rivals, the likes of Ted Cruz who sounded more dangerous.

This could well lead to another intifada.

20Cent

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

He's speaking now and has confirmed he is recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital. This is the probably the worst thing he's done (which is saying something).

The sly grin on his face as he made the announcement just highlights how this is all about him and his ego. I actually hoped this would be the one area he might be better than his other rivals, the likes of Ted Cruz who sounded more dangerous.

This could well lead to another intifada.

He wants to sow some chaos to distract from his treacherous behaviour. A lot of people are going to die for his ego.

Autochange

Fox news Facebook page going into joy overload. Quick scan through the comments shows the amount of religious nuts who follow. This was god's will and similar rubbish.
Lots of calls for Trump 2020, best president ever etc.

Hande hoche!

Trump will be plenty of Xmas cards from AIPAC's members.

Odhinn

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

He's speaking now and has confirmed he is recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital. This is the probably the worst thing he's done (which is saying something).

The sly grin on his face as he made the announcement just highlights how this is all about him and his ego. I actually hoped this would be the one area he might be better than his other rivals, the likes of Ted Cruz who sounded more dangerous.

This could well lead to another intifada.

He could have moved the embassy to West Jerusalem, which would be bad but not the end of the world. He could have recognised West Jerusalem as the capital of Israel - bad, but again, not the end of the world, but he had to go and absolutely do the worst combination of possible actions.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

When the Turks are telling you something is a bad idea, you know it's a mental idea.

Phonehead

To be honest this is the sign of a man doing his utmost to try and deflect and change the news story. The problem is that his base really don't need him to change the story, they will follow him no matter what. Mueller has him running scared, I suspect we'll see Trump doing even more crazy stuff to try and deflect the news.

Christy42

Phonehead wrote: »

To be honest this is the sign of a man doing his utmost to try and deflect and change the news story. The problem is that his base really don't need him to change the story, they will follow him no matter what. Mueller has him running scared, I suspect we'll see Trump doing even more crazy stuff to try and deflect the news.

There are good reasons for the wheels of justice to be slow but you have to wonder how many will die as ups the crazy to distract from the investigation.