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Why there are so many junkies (chavs/knackers)in Dublin?

eduzzino5

Please don't get me wrong - I don't want to offend or to insult anyone.
I don't even know the right word to use (knackers/chavs/scumbags/junkies). I moved from Boston to Dublin last year and it seems to me there are so many knackers in the city.

Just wanted to understand if there is a reason (bad welfare? high level of drugs? low police enforcement?) of why there are so many knackers in Dublin (especially in the city center)

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tricky D

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MysticMonk

alastair wrote: »

It's obviously their money, otherwise they have no entitlement to claim it.

How do they generate this money then?

alastair

MysticMonk wrote: »

Local FB pages i've seen are full of them.

I doubt it.

alastair

MysticMonk wrote: »

If they didn't earn it it's not their money

It's obviously their money, otherwise they have no entitlement to claim it.

MysticMonk

alastair wrote: »

I've yet to encounter anyone defending flytippers.

Local FB pages i've seen are full of them..usually the same sorts of people who give their profession as "being a full time mad bastard" or "full time mammy"..they quite literally expect the government to do everything for them.

MysticMonk

alastair wrote: »

With their salary, if they're working, and with their welfare, if they're not. In either case, it's their income.

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If they didn't earn it it's not their money and it's supposed to be spent on rent and the costs of finding a job,not on drink and takeaways.

alastair

MysticMonk wrote: »

The "defence" of these people is that they cannot "afford" the 19 euro a month the bins cost as they're too strapped for cash..

I've yet to encounter anyone defending flytippers.

MysticMonk

neris wrote: »

take a trip up the R139 (the old n32) from Clare Hall to the M50 and the filth of the place is unreal. The footpaths, bushes and "housing" areas. Was up in Clare Hall Tesco this morning and the que out the post office was into the car park and it wasnt people buying stamps or sending letters.

Dole-scrounging children of dole-scrounging parents..they've no respect for anything or anybody because they've always gotten everything for nothing.

Give them free houses and they complaining it's not big enough or it's not near enough to the pub or the school..free medical care isn't neough,they want valium too for "the nerves" which they can sell on..chuck rubbish everywhere? No problem Da Corpo will pick it up..they don't know any better because they were never taught any better and as this lifestyle is becoming more and more accepted so society (or at least part of it) will go further and further down the tubes.

Fully half the annual expenditure for this country is given in social welfare payments and amongst certain,ahem "groups" the unemployment rate is much much higher.

alastair

MysticMonk wrote: »

With whose money?

With their salary, if they're working, and with their welfare, if they're not. In either case, it's their income.

MysticMonk wrote: »

Well the rent isn't being paid and the tenants are keeping it for themselves.

You didn't read the Irish Times article, did you?

neris

take a trip up the R139 (the old n32) from Clare Hall to the M50 and the filth of the place is unreal. The footpaths, bushes and "housing" areas. Was up in Clare Hall Tesco this morning and the que out the post office was into the car park and it wasnt people buying stamps or sending letters.

MysticMonk

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Yup. Cycle through Summerhill regularly. Tonnes of bags of rubbish just left beside the street dustbins.
Some people don't seem to understand that paying your rent with free money doesn't equate to free rent, don't waste your time with them.

Same round my way on Wednesday mornings..bags of rubbish left against trees and lamposts.

The "defence" of these people is that they cannot "afford" the 19 euro a month the bins cost as they're too strapped for cash...but to judge by the contents of the ripped-open bins they have plenty of money for budweiser,cigarettes and takeaways.

Dr Crayfish

MysticMonk wrote: »

With whose money?

Well the rent isn't being paid and the tenants are keeping it for themselves..i also know from experience that they don't like paying for refuse collections either..preferring to dump their crap in the street.

Yup. Cycle through Summerhill regularly. Tonnes of bags of rubbish just left beside the street dustbins.
Some people don't seem to understand that paying your rent with free money doesn't equate to free rent, don't waste your time with them.

MysticMonk

alastair wrote: »

Once again - it's not free housing. Local authority tenants pay rent just like private landlord's tenants

With whose money?

alastair wrote: »

. And the 'unpaid rent' is not actually about a refusal to pay rent:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/dublin-city-council-considers-changing-rent-arrears-policy-1.2113090

Well the rent isn't being paid and the tenants are keeping it for themselves..i also know from experience that they don't like paying for refuse collections either..preferring to dump their crap in the street.

bobbysands81

eduzzino5 wrote: »

Please don't get me wrong - I don't want to offend or to insult anyone.
I don't even know the right word to use (knackers/chavs/scumbags/junkies). I moved from Boston to Dublin last year and it seems to me there are so many knackers in the city.

Just wanted to understand if there is a reason (bad welfare? high level of drugs? low police enforcement?) of why there are so many knackers in Dublin (especially in the city center)

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neris

MysticMonk wrote: »

Giving people anything for nothing in the long term is a mistake and people demanding a "right" to free housing is one of the causes of the rent crisis.

They think theyre Entitled more then they have a right

alastair

MysticMonk wrote: »

It's a reduction in income they didn't earn in the first place...and as these stats point out,more than half of them don't even pay that!

Giving people anything for nothing in the long term is a mistake and people demanding a "right" to free housing is one of the causes of the rent crisis.

Once again - it's not free housing. Local authority tenants pay rent just like private landlord's tenants. And the 'unpaid rent' is not actually about a refusal to pay rent:

“It is worth noting that the principal cause of arrears is not the nonpayment of rent but the failure of tenants to inform the housing and residential services department of changes in their personal circumstances in a timely manner.
“This has resulted in retrospective debits being applied once the change in circumstances has been identified.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/dublin-city-council-considers-changing-rent-arrears-policy-1.2113090

Mutant z

Limerick city has its fair number of them in fairness, especially in places like Southill and Ballinacurra, going pass those places is such an eyesore they bring grest shame to that city.

MysticMonk

MartyMcFly84 wrote: »

Regardless of the source of the income.

It is a cost, paying rent to either the council or a private landlord is a reduction in disposable income.

It's a reduction in income they didn't earn in the first place...and as these stats point out,more than half of them don't even pay that!

Giving people anything for nothing in the long term is a mistake and people demanding a "right" to free housing is one of the causes of the rent crisis.

thegrowreport

Lux23 wrote: »

There is one in Coolmine.

That is not a methadone clinic in Coolmine - it is a rehabilitation centre for those coming off drugs. Big difference.

MartyMcFly84

Regardless of the source of the income.

It is a cost, paying rent to either the council or a private landlord is a reduction in disposable income.

alastair

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Trust funds tend to be earned by the trustee's parents. You are deluded.

There’s still a cost of rent in both cases. No delusion necessary.

tricky D

Mod: quality of this discussion is heading well south and thread risks being closed if it doesn't improve.

Dr Crayfish

alastair wrote: »

That’s nothing to do with the reality of having to pay rent. Do you have the same issue with trust-fund kids paying rent to private landlords? The source of the money doesn’t remove from the fact of the cost. If you’ve some issue with the principle of social welfare, why not complain about that, rather than make up porkies about ‘free housing’?

Trust funds tend to be earned by the trustee's parents. You are deluded.

alastair

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

What money do they pay? Money from their dole, which is given to them by the state? Just give it a rest ffs.

That’s nothing to do with the reality of having to pay rent. Do you have the same issue with trust-fund kids paying rent to private landlords? The source of the money doesn’t remove from the fact of the cost. If you’ve some issue with the principle of social welfare, why not complain about that, rather than make up porkies about ‘free housing’?

Tony EH

Quit your whining.

Or go on the dole and get your "free house". :rolleyes:

Dr Crayfish

alastair wrote: »

They’re paying the money to the local authority or housing association. That’s a cost, just as it would be if the money was going to a private landlord.

What money do they pay? Money from their dole, which is given to them by the state? Just give it a rest ffs.

alastair

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Ok but these girls aren't paying the money to the landlord. So how is it costing them anything?

They’re paying the money to the local authority or housing association. That’s a cost, just as it would be if the money was going to a private landlord.

Dr Crayfish

alastair wrote: »

Because it costs money in rent? The clue is in the outgoings - whether to a private landlord or a local authority. If you’re having to shell out, irrespective to whom, it’s not free.

Ok but these girls aren't paying the money to the landlord. So how is it costing them anything?

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alastair wrote: »

Because it costs money in rent? The clue is in the outgoings - whether to a private landlord or a local authority. If you’re having to shell out, irrespective to whom, it’s not free.

God help us lads not this one again

alastair

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I know 2 different girls (girlfriends of friends) who have a child, and neither of them work, and they both have social housing. One of which is in Malahide by the way, not some sh*thole.
If they don't work how is it not free?

Because it costs money in rent? The clue is in the outgoings - whether to a private landlord or a local authority. If you’re having to shell out, irrespective to whom, it’s not free.