Ibrahim Halawa radio interview.

Jamiekelly wrote: »

If the military was so corrupt I highly doubt they would have allowed a referendum to take place to begin with.

corrupt governments allow "elections" and "referendums" to take place from time to time. just ask

Jamiekelly wrote: »

You seem to want it both ways when it suits you. Oh by the way feel free to google "Muslim brotherhood and ISIS" and you will see Exactly why people are very suspicious of Mr Halawa and his insane family. You don't travel across the continent to attend a rally for something you don't believe in (as he claims). He clearly believes in what they preach and he's more than happy to risk his freedom for it. And with the links between the MB and the likes of ISIS and Al-qaeda being already well known it shouldn't really come as a surprise why we should be cautious about letting terrorists sneak into governments through the political back door.

there is no evidence he supports the mb or agrees with any, or all of their viewpoint. if there is, then lets put him on trial. but i suspect it won't be happening because there is no evidence of it.
links between an organisation and another organisation ultimately mean nothing in this case, as while the mb may have been the organisers of the protests, or even just simply took part in the protests, the protests were about the overthrow of what was, whether we like it or not, a democratically elected government, followed by the murders of people who protested it. the lnking him to sis and all the other speculation against him seems to be mostly agenda based the fact is the egyptians acquitted him of all charges. if he had done something wrong, they would have definitely locked him up, in fact they would have imposed the death penalty.

K.Flyer wrote: »

He was involved in the protests before his friends were shot.
Changing your mind or your story during interviews undermines credibility.

Ibrahim says in the Al-Fateh Mosque video that he went straight to the Rabaa protests on the 28th of June. His sisters and others have said that they were there every day for weeks. Morsi got kicked out on the 3rd July.
On 6th July two of the Halawa sisters post a picture of themselves holding a large supporters picture of Morsi.
On 27th July one of the sisters posted the she Envied the MB martyrs.
On 1st August came the speeches from the back of the trailer. In it Ibrahim states he came directly from Ireland to Rabaa one month ago.
On 9th August a video, with the Halawa Sisters, is posted online inviting people to take a tour of the Rabba camp.
On the 16th Aug the Halawa sisters, with Ibrahim, take part in the Day of Rage protest at Ramses Sq, as expected, it turned bloody and they ran, on the advise of their Father, into the Al-Fateh Mosque.

It would seem to me from that timeline there was a lot more involvement than what they try to make out, it certainly wasn't a random occurrence that got them arrested. I am curious as to why they tried to downplay it, but people can make up their own mind about it.
I also wonder as to why they started to delete videos and posts that they made while taking part so soon after they realised they were in trouble and were going to need the Irish Government to get them out of it.

In my opinion Ibrahim was a pawn in a bigger game. A diplomatic game which involved his Father and his connections. When the authorities realised who he was, it may have sealed his fate. Allegedly his Father was told in 2013 that if he accepted the coup that his children would be released. He didn't and Ibrahim remained in prison.

ultimately this is all speculation. it may very well be true, i don't know, but there is no real evidence to back it up. that's the ultimate problem here. realisticaly it doesn't matter as he has been acquitted, and if the irish authorities ever get evidence that he is a threat then they will have a duty to arrest him and bring him before the courts. that goes for any members of his family.

K.Flyer

end of the road wrote: »

okay, say that's true, so what? protesters were murdered in the streets for protesting the overthrow of their elected government. apparently some of his friends were shot at protests. are you surprised he got involved in protests?

so he has likely changed his mind on doing interviews. so what?

He was involved in the protests before his friends were shot.
Changing your mind or your story during interviews undermines credibility.

Ibrahim says in the Al-Fateh Mosque video that he went straight to the Rabaa protests on the 28th of June. His sisters and others have said that they were there every day for weeks. Morsi got kicked out on the 3rd July.
On 6th July two of the Halawa sisters post a picture of themselves holding a large supporters picture of Morsi.
On 27th July one of the sisters posted the she Envied the MB martyrs.
On 1st August came the speeches from the back of the trailer. In it Ibrahim states he came directly from Ireland to Rabaa one month ago.
On 9th August a video, with the Halawa Sisters, is posted online inviting people to take a tour of the Rabba camp.
On the 16th Aug the Halawa sisters, with Ibrahim, take part in the Day of Rage protest at Ramses Sq, as expected, it turned bloody and they ran, on the advise of their Father, into the Al-Fateh Mosque.

It would seem to me from that timeline there was a lot more involvement than what they try to make out, it certainly wasn't a random occurrence that got them arrested. I am curious as to why they tried to downplay it, but people can make up their own mind about it.
I also wonder as to why they started to delete videos and posts that they made while taking part so soon after they realised they were in trouble and were going to need the Irish Government to get them out of it.

In my opinion Ibrahim was a pawn in a bigger game. A diplomatic game which involved his Father and his connections. When the authorities realised who he was, it may have sealed his fate. Allegedly his Father was told in 2013 that if he accepted the coup that his children would be released. He didn't and Ibrahim remained in prison.

Jamiekelly

end of the road wrote: »

the fact the corrupt egyptian military junta acquitted him seems to suggest otherwise.
they were not a proscribed organisation in egypt before, during, and for a while after they were elected and removed from government and banned from running for re-election. so the fact they are a proscribed organisation in other countries doesn't really mean anything in relation to this case.

Your lack of knowledge on this is actually laughable. The military in any self respecting country is not supposed to be loyal to the government of the day but only to the constitution of the country. A point in which you clearly haven't grasped.

The Muslim Brotherhood has made it very clear that they want to install Sharia law to the countries where they are elected to govern. This is not a hidden agenda but their core political principle. They attempted to change the constitution from being generally secular to Islamic multiple times and were warned by the military that they will intervene if they attempt to do so without holding a referendum. Morsi tried, he failed and the military moved in. The new Egyptian constitution was passed by a referendum and has been enacted. If the military was so corrupt I highly doubt they would have allowed a referendum to take place to begin with.

To say the MB in other countries being banned hasn't anything to do with this case is the most laughable part. It's like saying ISIS followers in Libya haven't got anything to do with ISIS followers in Syria. It's the same organization regardless, they believe the same things, they advocate the same system of law and they achieve it in the same manner.

You seem to want it both ways when it suits you. Oh by the way feel free to google "Muslim brotherhood and ISIS" and you will see Exactly why people are very suspicious of Mr Halawa and his insane family. You don't travel across the continent to attend a rally for something you don't believe in (as he claims). He clearly believes in what they preach and he's more than happy to risk his freedom for it. And with the links between the MB and the likes of ISIS and Al-qaeda being already well known it shouldn't really come as a surprise why we should be cautious about letting terrorists sneak into governments through the political back door.

Love the way some posts are picked and multi posts on here.

Why not reply to one post so there can be no confusion, and a rebuttal can be given?

No?

end of the road wrote: »

i'm very sorry to hear that. hopefully in the future there may be a way to improve it to full mobility.

#MeToo

PeterParker957 wrote: »

I broke my wrist in 2010 and it required pins.

Three days after surgery, weeks of physiotherapy and seven years on I still only have 85% of the initial mobility. I have scars still.

i'm very sorry to hear that. hopefully in the future there may be a way to improve it to full mobility.

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Yet in solitary confinement he's back to normal with no scarring ??

he seems to be back to normal now, but how long that has been the case i do not know. you would have to put that question to ibriham, as ultimately he would know his medical situation.

end of the road wrote: »

Omackeral wrote: »

First of all, the bolded bit is gas. You hear what you want to hear.

Secondly, he's literally telling and showing Tubridy that he can't close it. He's demonstrating it there and there for him. The whole nation saw it live. Everyone. He then proceeded to close the hand not 10 minutes later.

i did see the interview. he was definitely demonstrating how much he could close his hand when he was shot and didn't state in anyway that it wasn't healed now.

"This is what I can't do with my hand Ryan"

deco nate wrote: »

See, the biggest thing about this is... according to his sister's. His finger was hanging off and he was refused medical treatment by the Egyptian government. But luckily he somehow was put in a cell with a doctor that was also locked up for protesting. And somehow he save his finger.

I say somehow because how the feck could he with out one single piece of medical equipment ie needles, etc?
That doctor is the second coming right there I tell ya!

The lack of scarring is next to miraculous. Maybe auld Allah is the way?

Omackeral wrote: »

First of all, the bolded bit is gas. You hear what you want to hear.

Secondly, he's literally telling and showing Tubridy that he can't close it. He's demonstrating it there and there for him. The whole nation saw it live. Everyone. He then proceeded to close the hand not 10 minutes later.

i did see the interview. he was definitely demonstrating how much he could close his hand when he was shot and didn't state in anyway that it wasn't healed now.

end of the road wrote: »

Omackeral wrote: »

Here ya go Mr Proof. On national TV in front of everyone.

Tells Ryan Tubridy he can't close his hand all the way due to being shot in jail. But then a few minutes later closed his hand all the way.

it was 4 years since he was shot, so i presume that his hand healed within that timeframe. so him closing his hand, just like the whole appearance on the lls doesn't disprove that he was shot, and that his hand didn't suffer injury at the time. the way he stated it says to me that at the time of being shot, he couldn't close his hand all the way, and he can now.

I broke my wrist in 2010 and it required pins.

Three days after surgery, weeks of physiotherapy and seven years on I still only have 85% of the initial mobility. I have scars still.

Yet in solitary confinement he's back to normal with no scarring ??

end of the road wrote: »

it was 4 years since he was shot, so i presume that his hand healed within that timeframe. so him closing his hand, just like the whole appearance on the lls doesn't disprove that he was shot, and that his hand didn't suffer injury at the time. the way he stated it says to me that at the time of being shot, he couldn't close his hand all the way, and he can now.

First of all, the bolded bit is gas. You hear what you want to hear.

Secondly, he's literally telling and showing Tubridy that he can't close it. He's demonstrating it there and then for him as Ryan looks on. The whole nation saw it live. Everyone. He then proceeded to close the hand not 10 minutes later when the focus was off.

end of the road wrote: »

it was 4 years since he was shot, so i presume that his hand healed within that timeframe. so the interview doesn't disprove that he was shot, and that his hand didn't suffer injury at the time. the way he stated it says to me that at the time of being shot, he couldn't close his hand all the way, and he can now.

Pmsl:)

Omackeral wrote: »

Here ya go Mr Proof. On national TV in front of everyone.

Tells Ryan Tubridy he can't close his hand all the way due to being shot in jail. But then a few minutes later closed his hand all the way.

it was 4 years since he was shot, so i presume that his hand healed within that timeframe. so him closing his hand, just like the whole appearance on the lls doesn't disprove that he was shot, and that his hand didn't suffer injury at the time. the way he stated it says to me that at the time of being shot, he couldn't close his hand all the way, and he can now.

deco nate wrote: »

Can you stop multi quoting so I can pick at every point of your post. Just to make sure it all comes across in context

Eotd, read it again. This one. You know what you are at

deco nate wrote: »

Read my posts, don't pretend you didn't read it.

i did read your posts, it's just you didn't quote mine in your last one so i'm unsure which question you believe i gave no as an answer to.

Omackeral wrote: »

Here ya go Mr Proof. On national TV in front of everyone.

Tells Ryan Tubridy he can't close his hand all the way due to being shot in jail. But then a few minutes later closed his hand all the way.

See, the biggest thing about this is... according to his sister's. His finger was hanging off and he was refused medical treatment by the Egyptian government. But luckily he somehow was put in a cell with a doctor that was also locked up for protesting. And somehow he save his finger.

I say somehow because how the feck could he with out one single piece of medical equipment ie needles, etc?
That doctor is the second coming right there I tell ya!

gozunda

end of the road wrote: »

the fact the corrupt egyptian military junta acquitted him seems to suggest otherwise.

Surely if he was released as you stated - the 'junta'(sic) couldn't have been 'corrupt' - could it?

You of course have forgotten about the considerable effort put in by Irish political and consular bodies to ensure he was released tout suite....

end of the road wrote: »

they were not a proscribed organisation in egypt before, during, and for a while after they were elected and removed from government and banned from running for re-election. so the fact they are a proscribed organisation in other countries doesn't really mean anything in relation to this case.

Founded in 1928 the MB was a proscribed organisation for much if it's existence until the Arab Spring in 2010 where it was legalised. The MB created a political wing in order to avail of the democratic elections which saw their main man - Morsi being put in power.

However shortly afterwards Morsi attempted to introduce extreme Islamist policies and changes to the constitution. A populist movement of ordinary Egyptians subsequently sought for him to be removed from government. This was achieved by the military. Following the protests in 2013 the Muslim Brotherhood were once again listed as a proscribed terrorist organisation in Egypt. So approx. 3 years as a legal entity in recent times ..

end of the road wrote: »

on which question?

Read my posts, don't pretend you didn't read it.

end of the road wrote: »

lying how? there is no actual reliable proof that he is lying.

Here ya go Mr Proof. On national TV in front of everyone.

Tells Ryan Tubridy he can't close his hand all the way due to being shot in jail. But then a few minutes later closed his hand all the way.

deco nate wrote: »

So that's a no then from you, ok

on which question?

So that's a no then from you, ok

end of the road wrote: »

bilbot79 wrote: »

I was always dodgy about this. Guy gets Irish citizenship, behaves like a gung ho opinionated Egyptian and when it goes app engages the qualities of his adopted nation to bail him out. If he was truly Irish though he should have been more concerned with the price Irish farmers we're getting for milk than the unpredictable politics of Egypt. If your first priority is Egypt then be their citizen not ours!!

a lot of irish people are more concerned about the goings on abroad then the price irish farmers get for milk. should they all move abroad, or are they entitled to their opinions?

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Less changing his mind. More lying.

lying how? there is no actual reliable proof that he is lying. just a belief based on unreliable evidence at best.
lets say for argument sake that a few porkies were told to try and get a bit of extra support then what would be the issue, given that he was at one stage potentially facing the death penalty, for what we now know were effectively baseless charges?

Few porkies ??

I had a better point to make but that word choice just made me laugh!

deco nate wrote: »

Far from the humble lad that was locked up now, eh?

the fact the corrupt egyptian military junta acquitted him seems to suggest otherwise.

gozunda wrote: »

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Afaik the protests were organised and led by the Muslin Brotherhood - a proscribed terrorist organisation in many Arab countries.

This makes for some interesting reading
https://www.counterextremism.com/content/muslim-brotherhood’s-ties-isis-and-al-qaeda

The other issue that may be skewing the issue is that the Clonskeagh Mosque is alledgedly know as the Muslim Brotherhood mosque by some Muslims. It where his father is the Iman ...

they were not a proscribed organisation in egypt before, during, and for a while after they were elected and removed from government and banned from running for re-election. so the fact they are a proscribed organisation in other countries doesn't really mean anything in relation to this case.

end of the road wrote: »

okay, say that's true, so what? protesters were murdered in the streets for protesting the overthrow of their elected government. apparently some of his friends were shot at protests. are you surprised he got involved in protests?

so he has likely changed his mind on doing interviews. so what?

Can you stop multi quoting so I can pick at every point of your post. Just to make sure it all comes across in context

bilbot79 wrote: »

I was always dodgy about this. Guy gets Irish citizenship, behaves like a gung ho opinionated Egyptian and when it goes app engages the qualities of his adopted nation to bail him out. If he was truly Irish though he should have been more concerned with the price Irish farmers we're getting for milk than the unpredictable politics of Egypt. If your first priority is Egypt then be their citizen not ours!!

a lot of irish people are more concerned about the goings on abroad then the price irish farmers get for milk. should they all move abroad, or are they entitled to their opinions?

PeterParker957 wrote: »

Less changing his mind. More lying.

lying how? there is no actual reliable proof that he is lying. just a belief based on unreliable evidence at best.
lets say for argument sake that a few porkies were told to try and get a bit of extra support then what would be the issue, given that he was at one stage potentially facing the death penalty, for what we now know were effectively baseless charges?

gozunda

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

My point is that what he was saying was very plausible. Having grown up in a border area, Im well aware how easy it is to become an activist.

It seems to me that people are taking that context and jumping straight to Sharia and Isis conclusions.

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Afaik the protests were organised and led by the Muslin Brotherhood - a proscribed terrorist organisation in many Arab countries.

This makes for some interesting reading
https://www.counterextremism.com/content/muslim-brotherhood’s-ties-isis-and-al-qaeda

The other issue that may be skewing the issue is that the Clonskeagh Mosque is alledgedly know as the Muslim Brotherhood mosque by some Muslims. It where his father is the Iman ...

end of the road wrote: »

okay, say that's true, so what? protesters were murdered in the streets for protesting the overthrow of their elected government. apparently some of his friends were shot at protests. are you surprised he got involved in protests?

so he has likely changed his mind on doing interviews. so what?

Far from the humble lad that was locked up now, eh?

end of the road wrote: »

deco nate wrote: »

He was protesting over the majority of his time over there, fact.

okay, say that's true, so what? protesters were murdered in the streets for protesting the overthrow of their elected government. apparently some of his friends were shot at protests. are you surprised he got involved in protests?

deco nate wrote: »

Yet he played down this in every interview he has done so far, you know. The interviews he said he wasn't going to do. He just wanted to go back to his old life. Yet here he is, still giving interviews......

so he has likely changed his mind on doing interviews. so what?

Less changing his mind. More lying.

gozunda wrote: »

It may have made sense. However there is video and other available evidence that the siblings attended the protests over several weeks and were fairly well involved in what was going on. His "friends" (he didn't live in Egypt btw) were alledgedly shot at one of the protests he was attending. So a bit of chicken and egg type argument there on his behalf imo. Not quite truthful perhaps.

As far as I can work out the protests involved the arrest of many as the military tried to restore order. The creaking Egyptian legal system and the sheer numbers arranged for trial meant that there were considerable delays well beyond anything we would consider acceptable in the West - but then Egypt is not a western country in any shape or form.

Wait, wasn't it that they were at the cinema and then they got shot? Then he went to the protest. It's changed so much now I'm confused