end of the road wrote: » just the 1 protest. the protest was about the overthrowing of the government and subsiquent murdering of protesters that followed it.
AlekSmart wrote: » The timeline,or that of it which managed to be preserved in the aftermath of the arrests,points to a long established tradition of extended Family Holidays to Egypt,encouraged by Sheykh Halawa in order to maintain the childrens Egyptian ties and particularly their aptitude in the Arabic language. There is a suggestion that Ibrahims Mother was living in Cairo,and at least one of Ibrahims sisters,had already relocated to Egypt in order to work. It seems that,whilst ostensibly Irish as a family,Sheykh Halawa is keen to maintain a strong Egyptian ethos,which is no different from any immigrant grouping in any foreign country. However,what makes the Halawa case different to others which have gone before it,is the role played by their belief structure ,and particularly the many radical interpretations of how it should be practiced and projected within a non-Islamic framework. As an example,We know that Sheykh Halawa,in his role on the Fatwah Council,has quite definitively stated that he believes Homosexuality to be,in most cases,an illness,capable of treatment. Such a view would appear to place,Ibrahim and his father,at significant varience with each other,a fact fleetingly but tantalisingly touched on by Mr Prendiville. It could be said that we have reached a limit with the Halawa case,and it could also be quite possible that some elements of the family would perhaps,prefer to return to a less publicly viewed & discussed existence,something which every new media appearance by the children,now renders less & less possible.
deco nate wrote: » He was protesting over the majority of his time over there, fact.
deco nate wrote: » Yet he played down this in every interview he has done so far, you know. The interviews he said he wasn't going to do. He just wanted to go back to his old life. Yet here he is, still giving interviews......
gozunda wrote: » It may have made sense. However there is video and other available evidence that the siblings attended the protests over several weeks and were fairly well involved in what was going on. His "friends" (he didn't live in Egypt btw) were alledgedly shot at one of the protests he was attending. So a bit of chicken and egg type argument there on his behalf imo. Not quite truthful perhaps. As far as I can work out the protests involved the arrest of many as the military tried to restore order. The creaking Egyptian legal system and the sheer numbers arranged for trial meant that there were considerable delays well beyond anything we would consider acceptable in the West - but then Egypt is not a western country in any shape or form.
end of the road wrote: » deco nate wrote: » He was protesting over the majority of his time over there, fact. okay, say that's true, so what? protesters were murdered in the streets for protesting the overthrow of their elected government. apparently some of his friends were shot at protests. are you surprised he got involved in protests? deco nate wrote: » Yet he played down this in every interview he has done so far, you know. The interviews he said he wasn't going to do. He just wanted to go back to his old life. Yet here he is, still giving interviews...... so he has likely changed his mind on doing interviews. so what?
end of the road wrote: » okay, say that's true, so what? protesters were murdered in the streets for protesting the overthrow of their elected government. apparently some of his friends were shot at protests. are you surprised he got involved in protests? so he has likely changed his mind on doing interviews. so what?
jimmycrackcorm wrote: » My point is that what he was saying was very plausible. Having grown up in a border area, Im well aware how easy it is to become an activist. It seems to me that people are taking that context and jumping straight to Sharia and Isis conclusions.
bilbot79 wrote: » I was always dodgy about this. Guy gets Irish citizenship, behaves like a gung ho opinionated Egyptian and when it goes app engages the qualities of his adopted nation to bail him out. If he was truly Irish though he should have been more concerned with the price Irish farmers we're getting for milk than the unpredictable politics of Egypt. If your first priority is Egypt then be their citizen not ours!!
PeterParker957 wrote: » Less changing his mind. More lying.
deco nate wrote: » Far from the humble lad that was locked up now, eh?
gozunda wrote: » . Afaik the protests were organised and led by the Muslin Brotherhood - a proscribed terrorist organisation in many Arab countries. This makes for some interesting readinghttps://www.counterextremism.com/content/muslim-brotherhood’s-ties-isis-and-al-qaeda The other issue that may be skewing the issue is that the Clonskeagh Mosque is alledgedly know as the Muslim Brotherhood mosque by some Muslims. It where his father is the Iman ...
end of the road wrote: » bilbot79 wrote: » I was always dodgy about this. Guy gets Irish citizenship, behaves like a gung ho opinionated Egyptian and when it goes app engages the qualities of his adopted nation to bail him out. If he was truly Irish though he should have been more concerned with the price Irish farmers we're getting for milk than the unpredictable politics of Egypt. If your first priority is Egypt then be their citizen not ours!! a lot of irish people are more concerned about the goings on abroad then the price irish farmers get for milk. should they all move abroad, or are they entitled to their opinions? PeterParker957 wrote: » Less changing his mind. More lying. lying how? there is no actual reliable proof that he is lying. just a belief based on unreliable evidence at best. lets say for argument sake that a few porkies were told to try and get a bit of extra support then what would be the issue, given that he was at one stage potentially facing the death penalty, for what we now know were effectively baseless charges?
deco nate wrote: » So that's a no then from you, ok
end of the road wrote: » lying how? there is no actual reliable proof that he is lying.
end of the road wrote: » on which question?
end of the road wrote: » the fact the corrupt egyptian military junta acquitted him seems to suggest otherwise.
end of the road wrote: » they were not a proscribed organisation in egypt before, during, and for a while after they were elected and removed from government and banned from running for re-election. so the fact they are a proscribed organisation in other countries doesn't really mean anything in relation to this case.
Omackeral wrote: » Here ya go Mr Proof. On national TV in front of everyone. Tells Ryan Tubridy he can't close his hand all the way due to being shot in jail. But then a few minutes later closed his hand all the way.
deco nate wrote: » Read my posts, don't pretend you didn't read it.
deco nate wrote: » Can you stop multi quoting so I can pick at every point of your post. Just to make sure it all comes across in context
end of the road wrote: » it was 4 years since he was shot, so i presume that his hand healed within that timeframe. so the interview doesn't disprove that he was shot, and that his hand didn't suffer injury at the time. the way he stated it says to me that at the time of being shot, he couldn't close his hand all the way, and he can now.
end of the road wrote: » it was 4 years since he was shot, so i presume that his hand healed within that timeframe. so him closing his hand, just like the whole appearance on the lls doesn't disprove that he was shot, and that his hand didn't suffer injury at the time. the way he stated it says to me that at the time of being shot, he couldn't close his hand all the way, and he can now.
end of the road wrote: » Omackeral wrote: » Here ya go Mr Proof. On national TV in front of everyone. Tells Ryan Tubridy he can't close his hand all the way due to being shot in jail. But then a few minutes later closed his hand all the way. it was 4 years since he was shot, so i presume that his hand healed within that timeframe. so him closing his hand, just like the whole appearance on the lls doesn't disprove that he was shot, and that his hand didn't suffer injury at the time. the way he stated it says to me that at the time of being shot, he couldn't close his hand all the way, and he can now.
Omackeral wrote: » First of all, the bolded bit is gas. You hear what you want to hear. Secondly, he's literally telling and showing Tubridy that he can't close it. He's demonstrating it there and there for him. The whole nation saw it live. Everyone. He then proceeded to close the hand not 10 minutes later.
deco nate wrote: » See, the biggest thing about this is... according to his sister's. His finger was hanging off and he was refused medical treatment by the Egyptian government. But luckily he somehow was put in a cell with a doctor that was also locked up for protesting. And somehow he save his finger. I say somehow because how the feck could he with out one single piece of medical equipment ie needles, etc? That doctor is the second coming right there I tell ya!
end of the road wrote: » Omackeral wrote: » First of all, the bolded bit is gas. You hear what you want to hear. Secondly, he's literally telling and showing Tubridy that he can't close it. He's demonstrating it there and there for him. The whole nation saw it live. Everyone. He then proceeded to close the hand not 10 minutes later. i did see the interview. he was definitely demonstrating how much he could close his hand when he was shot and didn't state in anyway that it wasn't healed now.
PeterParker957 wrote: » I broke my wrist in 2010 and it required pins. Three days after surgery, weeks of physiotherapy and seven years on I still only have 85% of the initial mobility. I have scars still.
PeterParker957 wrote: » Yet in solitary confinement he's back to normal with no scarring ??
end of the road wrote: » i'm very sorry to hear that. hopefully in the future there may be a way to improve it to full mobility.
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