NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

Ultimanemo · 04-11-2017 03:12PM

turbbo wrote: »

I've got a decent 4G signal that is vastly superior to the crap I was paying Eir line rental for.

4Gs come with caps max 250G/month
How do you get around that.

ED E · 04-11-2017 04:00PM

Ultimanemo wrote: »

4Gs come with caps max 250G/month
How do you get around that.

Three SIM only deal, unlimited. Usually slow in the countryside.

Ultimanemo · 04-11-2017 06:30PM

ED E wrote: »

Three SIM only deal, unlimited. Usually slow in the countryside.

Thanks

turbbo · 04-11-2017 09:12PM

The high horse brigade wrote: »

I'm alright Jack, I hope it lasts and suits your needs for many years to come, but I doubt it.

Not worried. NBP will save us all :P

AidenL · 04-11-2017 09:24PM

So did someone say the NBP was initiated in 2012, and it will now probably be 2020 by the time a cable is laid?

That must be a record for procrastination in any country though?

ED E · 05-11-2017 12:05AM

AidenL wrote: »

So did someone say the NBP was initiated in 2012, and it will now probably be 2020 by the time a cable is laid?

That must be a record for procrastination in any country though?

It took 15yrs to build the S2S cycle lane. Metro north will be a 30yr+ thing. 8Yrs is a blink of the eye.

listermint · 05-11-2017 12:07AM

ED E wrote: »

It took 15yrs to build the S2S cycle lane. Metro north will be a 30yr+ thing. 8Yrs is a blink of the eye.

No its not why.

Because it's still not done and no sign of it being done either.

Many soundbites but no nothing in a way of NBP

wexfordman2 · 05-11-2017 12:48AM

The recent likely loss of the apple data centre in athlone is another example.of how slow we do things in this country, and the consequence

Marlow · 05-11-2017 01:47AM

wexfordman2 wrote: »

The recent likely loss of the apple data centre in athlone is another example.of how slow we do things in this country, and the consequence

First of all, that's Athenry and not Athlone.

And secondly, that's another story entirely. That's muppets objecting to planning wherever they can... because it may cause them another 5 minutes longer to drive to the local mart ... even though they live 20 miles away and it'll create 100-200 new jobs ... because they've got feck all else to do but to object to whatever they came across ... and because this country doesn't need progress nor new jobs ... sure, we're all paying more than plenty taxes ...

Irony (or truth) aside: that's caused by our inheritent complicated planning process, that's useless.

The NBP or broadband issue in this country in general, is because they always stick the department in comms together with something else, that has ZERO to do with comms .. like fisheries .. or natural ressources .. or whatever the f*** ....

And then assign some minister, who has even less of a clue ... who assigns some consultants, who are even more clueless.

So at the end of the day .. until they REALLY copy the UK and give Comreg the teeth, that OFCOM has ... nothing is going to happen.

But since Ireland only half arsed copies the UK .. the result is always going to a combination of worse than half arsed and clueless (due to the brain capacity and knowledge of the minister and consultants).

/M

wexfordman2 · 05-11-2017 08:43AM

Marlow wrote: »

First of all, that's Athenry and not Athlone.

And secondly, that's another story entirely. That's muppets objecting to planning wherever they can... because it may cause them another 5 minutes longer to drive to the local mart ... even though they live 20 miles away and it'll create 100-200 new jobs ... because they've got feck all else to do but to object to whatever they came across ... and because this country doesn't need progress nor new jobs ... sure, we're all paying more than plenty taxes ...

Irony (or truth) aside: that's caused by our inheritent complicated planning process, that's useless.

The NBP or broadband issue in this country in general, is because they always stick the department in comms together with something else, that has ZERO to do with comms .. like fisheries .. or natural ressources .. or whatever the f*** ....

And then assign some minister, who has even less of a clue ... who assigns some consultants, who are even more clueless.

So at the end of the day .. until they REALLY copy the UK and give Comreg the teeth, that OFCOM has ... nothing is going to happen.

But since Ireland only half arsed copies the UK .. the result is always going to a combination of worse than half arsed and clueless (due to the brain capacity and knowledge of the minister and consultants).

/M

Nope, its not muppets objecting that is the problem, it is the process and timescale that we gave to deal with those muppets. Innothwr words, its our planning process

Ultimanemo · 05-11-2017 08:45AM

AidenL wrote: »

So did someone say the NBP was initiated in 2012, and it will now probably be 2020 by the time a cable is laid?

That must be a record for procrastination in any country though?

This is a copy paste from an email received from open eir

The Department of Communications, Climate Action & Environment expect the NBP network roll-out to be completed by 2022.

And most likely delays will happen, and even more likely NBP will never happen.

Marlow · 05-11-2017 11:35AM

wexfordman2 wrote: »

Nope, its not muppets objecting that is the problem, it is the process and timescale that we gave to deal with those muppets. Innothwr words, its our planning process

Well .. the process and timescale is caused by those other muppets

... The point I was making is, that nobody seems to have a bit of sense, when it comes to these things and only wants, what's best for themselves and suits themselves ... nevermind the others (that have no job etc.), the economy and the what's good for the country long term.

Because people can't be bothered thinking long term. Oh wait ... that also applies to the NBP

/M

turbbo · 06-11-2017 11:23AM

Ultimanemo wrote: »

This is a copy paste from an email received from open eir

The Department of Communications, Climate Action & Environment expect the NBP network roll-out to be completed by 2022.

And most likely delays will happen, and even more likely NBP will never happen.

The Irish media is more obsessed with covering these government related issues?

1. Homelessness
2. HSE
3. Garda

more than anything to do with our dismal telecommunications infrastructure.
So I don't see any government putting the NBP on a high priority list - these people are looking for votes not smarter economies or better quality of rural life. Votes and fat pensions at the end of their political careers.

Marlow · 06-11-2017 11:55AM

Lets dig up some scandals, that have to do with lack of Broadband or line rental pricing.

You might get the media to run with that.

Feed them a steady stream of it .. and somebody is bound to wake up bad on a regular basis.

/M

turbbo · 06-11-2017 12:19PM

Marlow wrote: »

Lets dig up some scandals, that have to do with lack of Broadband or line rental pricing.

You might get the media to run with that.

Feed them a steady stream of it .. and somebody is bound to wake up bad on a regular basis.

/M

The scandal is that we have a bunch of parasites/idiots working as regulators in this country - be that energy - telecoms - banking. Take yer pick.

Marlow · 06-11-2017 12:20PM

turbbo wrote: »

The scandal is that we have a bunch of parasites/idiots working as regulators in this country - be that energy - telecoms - banking. Take yer pick.

Fact does not print very well in the media. You'll have to do better.

/M

Danny Boy · 06-11-2017 01:42PM

turbbo wrote: »

The scandal is that we have a bunch of parasites/idiots working as regulators in this country - be that energy - telecoms - banking. Take yer pick.

There used to be a guy called Damien who posted on this site.
His comments were Trumpesque - erratic and frequently rude.
He received so many negative responses to his posts he had to leave.
I wonder what he's doing now?

turbbo · 06-11-2017 10:06PM

Danny Boy wrote: »

There used to be a guy called Damien who posted on this site.
His comments were Trumpesque - erratic and frequently rude.
He received so many negative responses to his posts he had to leave.
I wonder what he's doing now?

says the guy with beauts like this:

Danny Boy wrote: »

Yeah cos Virgin Media are itching to roll out cable in bally go backwards, get real.

I'd consider that fairly Trumpesque. Maybe it's fake news lol!

turbbo · 16-11-2017 05:47PM

Not a bit surprised....

https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/ireland-did-everything-possible-to-win-rugby-world-cup-bid-says-minister-36323290.html

turbbo · 24-11-2017 12:25PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/digital-divide-stuck-in-the-slow-lane-1.3302623

ednwireland · 24-11-2017 01:38PM

and im still 5 poles form a fibre connection and the NBP is going to solve my broadband problems (NOT). to be honest how much has been spent on the various NBP's to deliver so little.

with a potential election looming all bets are off i suspect

24-11-2017 02:51PM

ednwireland wrote: »

and im still 5 poles form a fibre connection and the NBP is going to solve my broadband problems (NOT). to be honest how much has been spent on the various NBP's to deliver so little.

with a potential election looming all bets are off i suspect

Naughten: Well actually I will contest this point. The National Broadband Plan is already in full swing and the rollout has started. I will tell you hundreds of homes are being connected to real fibre every month as part of our comprehensive plan that will provide fibre to every door.

Ultimanemo · 25-11-2017 06:45AM

roddy15 wrote: »

Naughten: Well actually I will contest this point. The National Broadband Plan is already in full swing and the rollout has started. I will tell you hundreds of homes are being connected to real fibre every month as part of our comprehensive plan that will provide fibre to every door.

That is very bad news indeed
Reading between the lines: We aren't going to do a f ucking thing about NBP, so we are letting companies to connect whoever they can connect, by the time that is done, either we are outside the government so we don't give a sh*t, Then whoever there has to do deal with it, or we come up with another con plan.

Ultimanemo · 25-11-2017 06:53AM

turbbo wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/digital-divide-stuck-in-the-slow-lane-1.3302623

Very true
As customers the only thing we can do is to change our ISP every 12 months to get discounts no loyalty no Bullsh*t

25-11-2017 01:54PM

Ultimanemo wrote: »

That is very bad news indeed
Reading between the lines: We aren't going to do a f ucking thing about NBP, so we are letting companies to connect whoever they can connect, by the time that is done, either we are outside the government so we don't give a sh*t, Then whoever there has to do deal with it, or we come up with another con plan.

It wasn't a real quote, just paraphrasing what he comes out with when interviewed about the NBP. He likes to bundle in Eir's plan with the NBP to make it look like it's started when it hasn't.

Ultimanemo · 25-11-2017 05:04PM

roddy15 wrote: »

It wasn't a real quote, just paraphrasing what he comes out with when interviewed about the NBP. He likes to bundle in Eir's plan with the NBP to make it look like it's started when it hasn't.

Still the same, he wants to sell the idea that NBP is up and running so he can buy time to see what is the result of next election

tsue921i8wljb3 · 27-11-2017 11:51AM

https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/imagine-planning-to-spend-300m-on-broadband-service-36355037.html

Mr Bolger said Imagine wouldn't be affected by the roll-out of the Government's National Broadband Plan, as the NBP only makes subsidies available for broadband deployment in areas where it is not commercially viable to do so.

To me that sounds like they intend seeking to have areas they cover removed from the NBP. I wonder does this mean more delays for the process as Imagine seek to have such areas removed.

Johnboy1951 · 27-11-2017 01:04PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/imagine-planning-to-spend-300m-on-broadband-service-36355037.html

To me that sounds like they intend seeking to have areas they cover removed from the NBP. I wonder does this mean more delays for the process as Imagine seek to have such areas removed.

If true then it will throw the whole thing into even more disarray.

I cannot imagine how they will be able to claim they cover an 'area' when there are likely to be multiple premises which won't be able to receive their signal ..... as presently.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 27-11-2017 01:15PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

If true then it will throw the whole thing into even more disarray.

I cannot imagine how they will be able to claim they cover an 'area' when there are likely to be multiple premises which won't be able to receive their signal ..... as presently.

Yes I don't think that they would be eventually successful for the reasons you state but could they hold up the process while their claim meanders through the courts.

KOR101 · 27-11-2017 02:26PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/technology/imagine-planning-to-spend-300m-on-broadband-service-36355037.html

To me that sounds like they intend seeking to have areas they cover removed from the NBP. I wonder does this mean more delays for the process as Imagine seek to have such areas removed.

If that's their intention then they must go through the process and sign a commitment agreement. They cannot meet the technological requirements in the process, so this is nothing like what Eir did.

NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

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