dreamliner wrote: » You actually don't. You are very good however at taking verses out of context to suit what you want to make Islam sound like. Why do even bother, anyway. Verse 106 of chapter 16 tells that the followers of Islam, if ever captured and threatened with death over their faith, are allowed to deny their faith to those threatening to kill them. You know, like if someone is threatening to kill you, you can say whatever you want in order to save your life ... or would you prefer if the verse said they can't deny their faith and should take offer themselves to be killed? As for 3:28, the context of that verse was when the muslims were dealing with an onslaught from the mekkans whilst seeking refuge in medinah. It is a command to trust nobody else during that time, as nobody could be trusted in the region, the pagans wanted the faith and its followers wiped out. On the contrary, the Quran permits marriage with Jews and Christians. Are you proposing that the Quran says that Muslims can marry non muslims but not take them as friends? Or that they should pretend to love their spouse? What stupidity, I suggest you lay off answeringislam type websites run by lunatics. It's sheer delusion. In such a volatile time you disingenuously take a verse out of context to imply a sly meaning that is non existant in order for the less knowledgeable to become fearful of adherants to this faith. You, sir/madam, ought to be absolutely ashamed of yourself. Now, attempting to relate this to Halawa (which I'm lead to believe this thread was meant to be about), are ye proposing now that he wrote the Quran or what? What's this nonsense I've had to read got to do with him being taken out of egypt and the interview on cork radio ??
Help!!!! wrote: » Well many Imams say that each verse can be interpreted many different ways so for you a non Arabic speaking person to say either is right or wrong you must be more educated better than an Imam.
Help!!!! wrote: » As far as Islam goes I have many friends that are ...............
Odhinn wrote: » So you're an Arabic speaker?o good jaysis
dreamliner wrote: » You actually don't. You are very good however at taking verses out of context to suit what you want to make Islam sound like....
dreamliner wrote: » Shariah law is what every muslim will aspire to follow. ..
Help!!!! wrote: » No I am not an Arabic speaker but I have heard many say that verses can be construed many different ways Some of us have lived outside Ireland.
beefburrito wrote: » Ireland's full of the crack
DrumSteve wrote: » really? got any examples i can have a look at?
Help!!!! wrote: » Well many Imams say that each verse can be interpreted many different ways so for you a non Arabic speaking person to say either is right or wrong you must be more educated better than an Imam. As far as Islam goes I have many friends that are Muslim, ex Muslim or do not follow the religion that closely so I have had many different conversations about Islam One of my Muslim friends were radicalised in prison & as for Halawa he went there to cause trouble & he found it. The Irish Government should never have helped him get out, especially when there is an Irish man rotting in a Philippines jail for roughly the same time over a supposedly small amount of marijuana
Odhinn wrote: » Not sure as to official tolerance of minority sects in Egypt so I can't comment. Well (as ever) its a bit more complicated than that, there's Sunni (broad grouping) and factions/schools with in it. A conservative bunch would be Wahabi Sunnis and the offshoots of that.
Help!!!! wrote: » Full of people who try to tell people that they are wrong about Islam when the only Muslims they have met are the ones down the local kebab shop or curry house:rolleyes:
dreamliner wrote: » Oh really, and what imam told you that's the interpretation? And I find it very funny how you talk to us on here as if you're the only one who has ever left Ireland or gained an insight into Islam :pac::pac: It takes little more than a google search to come up with numerous translations of the verses and the surrounding verses to get an idea of the context. I too have spoken to many Muslim friends and colleagues about this and all seem to come at me with the same context and judging by their behaviour and personalities I have no reason to believe otherwise. There are also numerous online lectures by various different scholars from different madh'habs of Islam. None that I have seen offer the poisonous interpretation you tried to push on people here who may not know any better. I find it potentially dangerous to be trying to suggest to us that none of them should be trusted due to verses you took out of context, again, in this day and age that has potential to be disastrous and we need to be absolutely sure of what we are saying before levelling such allegations against an entire group of people. I did my best not to laugh at the 'I have Muslim friends'. It sounded Trumpesque. Anyway, perhaps true .. or maybe not ... you know, taqiyya and all that :cool:
beefburrito wrote: » Sorry for going a bit off topic,but I know for a fact that Sunni Islam brought havoc to the middle East absolute havoc. They are against all the other sects of Islam. They brought nothing but destruction and pain to the middle East and Persia. The Shia's have an amazing culture of Art, architecture and science. I was once in a kebab House in a well known Town/City in the West of Ireland.
dreamliner wrote: » Attachment not found. These shias?
beefburrito wrote: » Well half the population of women of 30 plus are fans of Dorian Gray....That's a Shia tradition,no worse than a mass tattooing party
A Little Pony wrote: » The truth always outs, those of us who didn't believe the propaganda in the Irish press about this guy and how lovely he is and how butter wouldn't melt. Exposed good and proper, well done to the interviewer.
dreamliner wrote: » You see this is the hypocrisy that baffles me. If they were sunnis you would be scalding them for being blood thristy and barbaric.
Help!!!! wrote: » As far as Islam goes I have many friends that are Muslim, ex Muslim or do not follow the religion that closely so I have had many different conversations about Islam
Help!!!! wrote: » No I am not an Arabic speaker but I have heard many say that verses can be construed many different ways.
Help!!!! wrote: full of people who try to tell people that they are wrong about Islam when the only Muslims they have met are the ones down the local kebab shop or curry house
beeffurrito wrote: Sorry for going a bit off topic,but I know for a fact that Sunni Islam brought havoc to the middle East absolute havoc. They are against all the other sects of Islam. They brought nothing but destruction and pain to the middle East and Persia
JJayoo wrote: » 4 years locked in an Egyptian prison not knowing if you will ever get out poor basstarrd
beefburrito wrote: » Well half the population of women of 30 plus are fans of Dorian Gray.... That's a Shia tradition,no worse than a mass tattooing party
beefburrito wrote: » A Little Pony wrote: » The truth always outs, those of us who didn't believe the propaganda in the Irish press about this guy and how lovely he is and how butter wouldn't melt. Exposed good and proper, well done to the interviewer. Exactly I always thought he wasn't as sunshine lollipop s and rainbows as partrayed. More like darkness, chainsaws and burning rainbows.....
goose2005 wrote: » if he had his way most of us would be in prisons or dead
