cgcsb wrote: » In Dublin politically I think we're at a tipping point at which people are no longer going to accept dormitory towns and suburbanization as the future. We'll move to a model of denser and more central development, areas like Ringsend and Broombridge will see dense resi development, the whole dormer town thing will probably die off. In that context I don't see a DART link to Navan happening, it's too far from Central Dublin.
tabbey wrote: » Probably, but it will be a long wait. At the moment the M3 motorway has great surplus capacity so there is no need for the rail restoration. At some time in the future, if long distance dormitory town development continues, there will be demand for re-instatement. It would not necessarily follow the historic route, but something like the Harcourt Street / Green line bastardisation.
marno21 wrote: » Lots of surplus capacity on the M3. Then you get to where the motorway ends at Clonee and smack bang into a massive jam back from the M50, which itself is jammed too. Plenty of spare motorway capacity on Co. Meath/Kildare/Wicklow but as you get close to Dublin that comes to an end.
tabbey wrote: » This is where the motorists should leave the M3 at Dunboyne M3 parkway. park their cars and get the train into town. The trouble is that NTA/IR have made it inconvenient by running the Dunboyne service as a branch, changing trains at Clonsilla. Changing from car to train at M3 Parkway would be grudgingly accepted, but another change ten minutes later is just too much. Instead of running a four car 2900 set with 10 or 12 passengers on a branch shuttle, a two car 2700 / 2800 going into the city centre directly, would be much more popular. Another problem is that the M3 toll plaza is just north of the rail terminus, so motorists transferring to rail have to pay the toll. If the toll point was south of the station, motorists would have an incentive to go for the train.
marno21 wrote: » Or reduced toll or no toll for people using the M3 Parkway station. What are loadings like on the M3 Parkway services at present?
tabbey wrote: » The trouble is that NTA/IR have made it inconvenient by running the Dunboyne service as a branch, changing trains at Clonsilla. Changing from car to train at M3 Parkway would be grudgingly accepted, but another change ten minutes later is just too much.
Last Stop wrote: » Could the toll be included in the taxsaver scheme? Eg you scan your leap card at the toll or even based on e-tagging.
sofireland wrote: » i used the m3 parkway - reliable, it does go city centre - to docklands, which was a 15-20 minute walk to my office each way. There isn't the capacity for the train to go to connolly afaik. But more informed folk know more about that than me
tallaghtfornia wrote: » Its madness that in a European capital that a Toll road can hamper a whole rail project to a major city in the country.
Agent_47 wrote: » The M3 Parkway has 1200 car spaces but only circa 500 to 600 are used daily. it has 2 paltry electric charge points located 2/3 of the car park away from the station.
loyatemu wrote: » bit off topic, but are people really likely to be charging their car at a P&R? Would you want people parking up at 8am and leaving their car on charge until 6pm anyway - people would just take advantage of the free charging. I'd have thought the vast majority of people arriving at the carpark will be coming from home where they will already have charged up
Agent_47 wrote: » Has to be a radical rethink on infrastructure and indeed the rail link for Navan. It is already getting too difficult to get in and out of the town. Around M3 Parkway traffic is bad, building at Hansfield is so extensive that it will shortly arrive at Sean Boylans door (watch that space). We took the motorway twice this week, going in is busy, trying to get off at M3 Parkway junction is murder with speeding roundabout traffic. Had to take motorway home as the roundabout was choked with traffic. Long will be the day I can walk to a train in Navan and forget about the car ...
