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Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

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The seat map for the B767-200 being leased by EI next year are available on the Aer Lingus website, the seating is 2,3,2 in economy (As was suspected) and 2,2,2 in business

There are 189 economy seats and 12 Business seats making a total of the reported 201 seats.

Anyone know whether the B767 will be repainted, partially or entirely, in the EI colours for the 6 months that its leased for?

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Tenger

Travel Extra seem to think A350s are still going to EI, published future fleet plan to the contrary.

California Dreamer

Would EI not have loads of data already related to their DUB-LGW/LHR-LAS routes?

One would speculate that if they had that and did not launch that it wasnt the golden goose everybody thinks it is!

L1011

Doltanian wrote: »

I imagine Las Vegas would be economy class heavy and would be bad utilisation of limited aircraft, whereas they can deploy aircraft on much more profitable routes.

Vegas is the conference capital of the world. Plenty of business class bookings on VS and BA from Irish pax already

Noxegon

sandbelter wrote: »

On another topic, two posters in Airliners.net (who have been very reliable in the past) have posted that a Gulf airline would commence transatlantic services from Dublin.

That would please me immensely.

sandbelter

The following article appeared in Travel Extra last Sunday that seems to have gone unnoticed. It gives insight to quite a few questions being raised in earlier posts.

IAG promised that they would be able to supply aircraft at short notice to meet Aer Lingus expansion plans, and now it is happening. Aer Lingus could have an another A330 (or two) in service for summer 2018, to be used for increased frequencies rather than a new route.

So said CEO Stephen Kavanagh as he announced Dublin-Seattle 4w from May 18, using an Airbus A330 on long-term lease from the Qatar Airlines fleet. He said that Aer Lingus was examining new route options with A330s (and the nine A350s that are on their way form 2019) as well as A321 route options to potential destinations in a northeastern arc from Charlotte to Milwaukee.

Extra A330 frequencies (Washington DC etc) could also release a B757 from that route for use elsewhere. He played down the statements on capacity restraints at Dublin Airport made by Mike Rutter at the Philadelphia launch. Skid Row was originally in Seattle (that did NOT make the highlights of Seattle promo video). Amazon is headquartered in Seattle and Microsoft has its headquarters just outside the city and the CEO said in response to questions from Travel Extra that Aer Lingus was talking to Alaska and other airlines about codeshare possibilities to include Portland and Vancouver. Cruise lines are also excited about the new destination.

Source: Travel Extra

On another topic, two posters in Airliners.net (who have been very reliable in the past) have posted that a Gulf airline would commence transatlantic services from Dublin. Strong indications are it will be QR who plan to start both a LAS and SFO service in 2018, maybe DUB-LAS could be completely left field...just speculating.

Idbatterim

Van.Bosch wrote: »

If Norwegian announced Dublin to Vegas - do people think EI would respond?

Highly doubt it. I reckon who ever takes it first wont face competition on it ...

goingnowhere

Some sense...

alancostello

IrishYamm wrote: »

Just noticed the SEA flight number has been changed for 142?? Any reason for this?

Maybe they saw our post

142/143 were the only previously unused 1xx series flight numbers.

marno21

IrishYamm wrote: »

Just noticed the SEA flight number has been changed for 142?? Any reason for this?

West Coast already 144/145/146/147 so makes sense I suppose..

Tenger

IrishYamm wrote: »

Just noticed the SEA flight number has been changed for 142?? Any reason for this?

Makes it similar to SFO and LAX. (I’m deliberately ignoring MIA!)
Perhaps 98/99 was a placeholder, not likely though.

IrishYamm

Just noticed the SEA flight number has been changed for 142?? Any reason for this?

Doltanian

I imagine Las Vegas would be economy class heavy and would be bad utilisation of limited aircraft, whereas they can deploy aircraft on much more profitable routes.

Van.Bosch

If Norwegian announced Dublin to Vegas - do people think EI would respond?

JCX BXC

Tenger wrote: »

Good point re Norwegian. Their larger network may be better placed to operate a seasonal Las VGAs route ex-Dublin. With their smaller economy of scale EI require each route to be self sufficient.

Good point, however I do wonder something,

In regards to smaller economies of scale, is that point not now defunct as they're part of IAG, a massive group? Understandably each airline has its own costs simply to function as an airline, but in terms of finance and things that can be handled centrally, do Aer Lingus not have a much improved economies of scale?

Of course I don't know whether that is true or not, however I am interested.

From this article: https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/business/irish/airline-boss-willie-walsh-dismisses-as-utter-nonsense-warnings-of-1200-job-losses-if-aer-lingus-takeover-bid-is-accepted-30988446.html

"redundancies would be made in back office, admin and procurement divisions"

Tenger

Good point re Norwegian. Their larger network may be better placed to operate a seasonal Las VGAs route ex-Dublin. With their smaller economy of scale EI require each route to be self sufficient.

alancostello

By the looks of things EI-GCF just landed at DUB as EI2535

Idbatterim

I've heard all the speculation about reasons given for why are lingus wont launch Vegas. Let's hope Norwegian do with dream liner. They flew from Copenhagen London and one or two other cities to Vegas. Had to cancel flights frequently enough during peak summer due to performance issues with fully laden aircraft with very high temperatures. They are looking at relaunching soon. Dublin is bit closer than other cities it served and I'd say with exption of London, which is already served by British airways and virgin to Vegas. Dublin would have higher traffic than other cities that were flying direct to Vegas ..

Bussywussy

Tenger wrote: »

Bussywussy wrote: »

Theres actually quite a bit involved in storage maintenance too...

I was under the impression that it involved the aircraft being stored in certain conditions with certain access procedures in place. Something more than a “do not rob part” sign.
After that a certified periodic check takes place. (This info was from a pilot I know rather than a certified engineer)

Ah theres pitot/static system flushing and leak checks every so often,rotating the wheels etc if it's in the one place,relubing gears,flaps,slats etc.keeping it powered etc,you should see how quickly a cabin can turn mouldy.....

Tenger

Bussywussy wrote: »

Theres actually quite a bit involved in storage maintenance too...

I was under the impression that it involved the aircraft being stored in certain conditions with certain access procedures in place. Something more than a “do not rob part” sign.
After that a certified periodic check takes place. (This info was from a pilot I know rather than a certified engineer)

Bussywussy

Theres actually quite a bit involved in storage maintenance too...

Tenger

ohigg84 wrote: »

What a real shame to see it being stored......

Flying it every 2nd day will still end up with you needing to perform daily/weekly maintainance on the aircraft. That is if it is placed in protected storage. (Meaning it can’t just be wheeled out of the hanger if needed)

Bussywussy

it's to do with depreciation of the value of the aircraft,there's no point devaluing it when it doesn't need to fly...

HTCOne

Fattes wrote: »

Or store it to the new year and not pay the tax for 2017!

Ahhh, it all makes sense now

Fattes

ohigg84 wrote: »

What a real shame to see it being stored.

I know the winter schedule isn't that busy, but surely there could be some justification for putting it on the San Francisco or Los Angeles routes every second day.

Or store it to the new year and not pay the tax for 2017!

ohigg84

Bussywussy wrote: »

GCF arrives tonight and it will be stored in DUB initially...rough guess would be between 1830 and 2030 but these things never go to plan

What a real shame to see it being stored.

I know the winter schedule isn't that busy, but surely there could be some justification for putting it on the San Francisco or Los Angeles routes every second day.

Tenger

Bussywussy wrote: »

GCF arrives tonight and it will be stored in DUB initially...rough guess would be between 1830 and 2030 but these things never go to plan

Im sure the FR24 thread will see it as soon as its airborne!

Bussywussy

GCF arrives tonight and it will be stored in DUB initially...rough guess would be between 1830 and 2030 but these things never go to plan

HTCOne

AoifeOCaa wrote: »

With all the expansion coming until 2020/22 I wonder if the majority of the trans atlantic flights will depart in the afternoon in order to suit the connections feeding (if there is such a availability on slots) or if some will be alocated in the morning also like the EI105/137/139 but earlier arrivals into DUB from AMS/CDG and others would be adjusted in order to feed these flights too? I can't imagine those earlier trans-atlantic flights going full with only DUB/UK connections unless they will all be scheduled in the afternoon

The new runway will be operational by 2021, so any capacity constraints will be from gate availability, not slots.

Jamie2k9

Jack1985 wrote: »

This plan has been canned. This is now known internally. It will remain 1x daily on the 757 operation.

It is yet to be confirmed whether another 757 will be sourced, or if there will be a hire-in similar to 2015/2016.

I really can't see another B752 coming or even a hire in simply because they have enough capacity to cover. IMO PHL is more suited to A330 over IAD. Time will tell.

AoifeOCaa

With all the expansion coming until 2020/22 I wonder if the majority of the trans atlantic flights will depart in the afternoon in order to suit the connections feeding (if there is such a availability on slots) or if some will be alocated in the morning also like the EI105/137/139 but earlier arrivals into DUB from AMS/CDG and others would be adjusted in order to feed these flights too? I can't imagine those earlier trans-atlantic flights going full with only DUB/UK connections unless they will all be scheduled in the afternoon