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RTE "paedophile" exposed (Read Admin note post #1)

Dr Brown

Has anyone heard of this guy before?

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Admin note - as this story is breaking late at night, please do not name the individual or link to the video. We will revisit this decision early tomorrow. Discussion in the story is of course permitted as long as there are no comments as to identity.

UPDATE 20-Nov, 11:40 am - The person in question has been charged in the UK & publicly named.

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gozunda

PeterParker957 wrote: »

They may be frequently interchanged - doesn't mean that's correct.

For example - Tom Humphries; sick individual guilty of many abhorrent crimes.

Not a paedophile.

Yes it is correct and I've given the context. I presume posters have used the term paedophilia as the guy has yet to go before the court.

And to fill in the blanks you left with regard to TH.

Tom Humphries is a convicted child molester and former sports journalist and columnist who wrote for The Irish Times. His journalism career was effectively ended after child sexual abuse allegations surfaced in 2011

as per wiki

Was TH a paedophile before moving on and committing more serious crimes? Possibly but we don't know ...

foxatron

" is that your penis? Show him his penis again. Is that your penis" if it wasnt so serious it'd be quite funny!

_Kaiser_

Just watched the video there... that's very uncomfortable, sickening and very satisfying all in one.

Hope he gets everything coming to him.

PeterParker957

gozunda wrote: »

The terms are frequently used interchangeably. I posted this previously ...

They may be frequently interchanged - doesn't mean that's correct.

For example - Tom Humphries; sick individual guilty of many abhorrent crimes.

Not a paedophile.

BillyBobBS

Hopefully this dirty pedo didn't get his filthy hands on any Irish children.

gozunda

Laois_Man wrote: »

Can you explain the difference please?

The terms are frequently used interchangeably. I posted this previously ...

the term pedophile is sometimes used informally to refer to any person who commits one or more sexually-based crimes that relate to legally underage victims. These crimes may include child sexual abuse, statutory rape, offenses involving child pornography, child grooming, stalking, and indecent exposure. One unit of the United Kingdom's Child Abuse Investigation Command is known as the "Paedophile Unit" and specializes in online investigations and enforcement work.

Source: "Child abuse investigation impact". Metropolitan Police Service (met.police.uk).

seamus

wonderfullife wrote: »

Equally uncomplicated is the fact mob justice isn't justice. These vigilante groups have wrongly accused people and ruined their lives by uploading the video of the confrontation.

In this specific instance I'm kind of torn.

The group appear to be acting pretty responsibly. They're cornering this kind of person and having them arrested. They're not appearing with clubs and beating them to death, they're not out to ruin their lives with huge facebook exposés, they're out to catch a criminal and get him arrested.

But on the flipside, yes you have the presumption of innocence and the naming and shaming of a suspected criminal by a vigilante group, no matter what evidence you may have gathered, is antithetical to a fair justice system.

What they should be doing obviously is setting up the sting, and then telling the local cops to send down a plainclothes officer to make the arrest, rather than making a video and having him arrested afterwards.

But the goal of this group is not to rid the streets of child abusers. That's pissing in the wind. There isn't a finite number of them, you can't just lock them all up and be done with it.

The aim is scare them sh1tless. To make them think twice before grooming a child - that child they're grooming could be a sting set to catch them.

The only problem I see with this is that the more you do this, the more likely it is that the abusers will attend these meet-ups armed. So rather than the justice boner of seeing an abuser picked up by the cops, instead you have five people stabbed and two killed in a sting operation gone wrong.

If child abusers were at all "rational" about these meet-ups, they wouldn't go in the first place. So trying to scare them away by posting vigilante videos won't be as effective as they would be for rational people.

PeterParker957

Billy86 wrote: »

A paedophile is sexually attracted to children, a child molester has molested a child. A lot of paedophiles recognise there is something very wrong with them and go to extensive lengths to make sure they never act out, while for many child molesters there is something other than sexual attraction involved (e.g. a show of power, using the child to get back at someone else, etc etc). I don't know the ins and outs of it or how valid it is, but I've read that a few times before.

100% spot on.

Paedophilia is a sexual paraphilia where someone is attracted to prepubescent children.

Child molesters are well, what it says on the tin. Abusing kids for many and varying reasons.

I'd invite neither group over to my house for tea mind.

Billy86

Laois_Man wrote: »

Can you explain the difference please?

A paedophile is sexually attracted to children, a child molester has molested a child. A lot of paedophiles recognise there is something very wrong with them and go to extensive lengths to make sure they never act out, while for many child molesters there is something other than sexual attraction involved (e.g. a show of power, using the child to get back at someone else, etc etc). I don't know the ins and outs of it or how valid it is, but I've read that a few times before.

_Brian

There’s an obvious gap in policing when a group of individuals can have such a success rate in snagging these predators. Fair play to them.

The big risk is mistaken identity though.

gozunda

wonderfullife wrote: »

I'm not "excusing paedophile type behaviour". Anybody grooming children should be sent to prison. Anybody who sexually assaults anyone (child or adult) should be sent to prison.

It's not complicated.

Equally uncomplicated is the fact mob justice isn't justice. These vigilante groups have wrongly accused people and ruined their lives by uploading the video of the confrontation. This guy remains innocent at this moment of time despite you calling him a cnut and deeming him guilty. He's *probably* guilty but I'm not going to judge him based on a video made by a bunch of cowards. I'll judge him if he pleads guilty or is found guilty by a Judge and/or Jury.

Out of interest, if your next door neighbour asks you for a chat and confesses he fancies young girls and needs some advice. What would your reaction be?

There was no "justice' meeted out - he was handed over to the police as is the correct thing to do. I reserve the right to refer to him as a cnut on the basis of his actions to date. I will reserve more descriptive terms for if and when he is found guilty and convicted.

The group clearly states they used the video to document and to further gather evidence and to prevent others claiming that the group beat him up etc. They also explicitly stated they wished for others to know that he had been caught out in the act of meeting up with an underage girl (after posting pictures of willies to the profile of that girl).

Sorry I don't engage in Whataboutery...thanks all the same.

Laois_Man

wonderfullife wrote: »

the majority of child molestors are not paedophiles.

Can you explain the difference please?

Marty Bird

gozunda wrote: »

Jazus H Chrxst! He was caught sending pictures of his willy to the profile of the young girl. Plus grooming + arranging to meet a minor with sexual intent etc etc

Keep on disparaging the group that handed him ovet to the police and keep on excusing paedophile type behaviour. :rolleyes:

We do not know what other information about 'chats" other evidence or otherwise which has been collected at this point. At least let the feking cnut be sent to trial ok?

You're something else....

The mind truly boggles you would wonder what the agenda is with some posters on this thread with reply’s like that.

DrPhilG

circadian wrote: »

In relation to the teacher in Derry, was he named or is there a news article on this?

Silent Justice on Facebook. There are a number of pictures of those caught, and videos of the stings in action. Not sure if he's been named officially although I believe he has been charged but he's 3 or 4 videos down. There is a separate video of the confrontation and another of the aftermath once the cops take him.

DrPhilG

There is definitely an uncomfortable element watching the group mocking him and taking pleasure in his discomfort. In one sense I understand it, on the other I'd be more in favour of just letting justice at him. I suppose it's like when someone is guilty of rape/child molesting/murder. Many will shout that they should essentially be tortured to a slow painful death. Whilst I understand that sentiment, I would not ever want to be a person who takes pleasure in someone else's pain no matter what their crime. I'd rather just have that person taken out and shot, quickly and quietly for the benefit of all.

I agree that the videos should not be streamed live in the off chance that they have a case of mistaken identity or some other issue although in both cases I've seen recently the person was clearly guilty and all but admitted it during their sting.

I'd prefer to have the footage given to the cops and then only released once the conviction is completed. That way they rule out any possibility of error and also it gives the cops the chance to "discreetly" edit out anything that the group may have done in the video that could harm the conviction chances.

As for "creating criminals", I do understand the difference between those who desire and those who commit. I've seen interviews with paedophiles who hate the desires they have and go to great lengths to prevent themselves from ever actually acting on those impulses and as much as I despise the thoughts those people have, I have to admire the honesty of those who take steps like chemical castration to ensure that they do not pose a risk to children.

However, this person stepped away from an innocent man who struggles with a perverted attraction and became a real threat when he made steps to actually meet someone he believed to be a child.

Hector Savage

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Amazing to see people attacking the group who nailed this toerag

Do you have daughters?

Again, this is a common misconception, you think because we attack this group we feel for the perpetrator ?
If I disagree with a convicted murderer killing a convicted pedophile in prison - do I condone murder ? or his
original crime ?
It's a hyperbole example but the point is the same.
Have you seen these groups ? They look like a bunch of knuckle dragging scum themselves, a couple of rungs up
from the abusers - just using this to feel high and mighty.
It's also concerning the way they broadcast it LIVE !! Imagine if they got the wrong person, and thousands see the face
of an innocent person - we all see what mob mentality does, just look at that innocent guy who was mistaken for an abuser
in Navan( I think it was ) a few months back and there was a lynch mob outside the pub ready to kill the wrong guy ffs!!

orangerhyme

Could a good lawyer get him off?

He could say that he knew all along he was chatting with an adult, was just playing a game etc

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In relation to the teacher in Derry, was he named or is there a news article on this?

wonderfullife

gozunda wrote: »

Jazus H Chrxst! He was caught sending pictures of his willy to the profile of the young girl. Plus grooming + arranging to meet a minor with sexual intent etc etc

Keep on disparaging the group that handed him ovet to the police and keep on excusing paedophile type behaviour. :rolleyes:

We do not know what other information about 'chats" other evidence or otherwise which has been collected at this point. At least let the feking cnut be sent to trial ok?

You're something else....

I'm not "excusing paedophile type behaviour". Anybody grooming children should be sent to prison. Anybody who sexually assaults anyone (child or adult) should be sent to prison.

It's not complicated.

Equally uncomplicated is the fact mob justice isn't justice. These vigilante groups have wrongly accused people and ruined their lives by uploading the video of the confrontation. This guy remains innocent at this moment of time despite you calling him a cnut and deeming him guilty. He's *probably* guilty but I'm not going to judge him based on a video made by a bunch of cowards. I'll judge him if he pleads guilty or is found guilty by a Judge and/or Jury.

Out of interest, if your next door neighbour asks you for a chat and confesses he fancies young girls and needs some advice. What would your reaction be?

DrPhilG

NIMAN wrote: »

I just heard he was a teacher, so perhaps you are right.

Definitely was a music teacher for tutoring etc. I know some folk at work who knew him through music, played alongside him at events etc.

20Cent

wonderfullife wrote: »

Tell that to the people from the Guardian article I posted?

One turned up after being told consistently for 2 weeks that the girl was 18. He went to Costa Coffee believing she was 18. They texted him while they were outside saying "I'm actually 15 do you still want to meet up?" and he proceeded to get up and leave.

While he was attempting to leave they accosted him and videoed him accusing him of paedophilia while he tried to run away out of fear. It ruined his life and he is suing for defamation.

He was cleared of all wrongdoing by the police but it was too late to save his job or his marriage.

If you're in favour of lynch mobs accusing innocent people of paedophilia then I don't know what to tell you but it has happened enough times for multiple articles to be published about it. That's one good reason to be against these vigilantes and to favour leaving these matters to the police.

This case wasnt a lynch mob accusing an innocent person. Your example is someone doing it wrong and they should be punished for it. Left to the police yet man would still be doing it.

punisher5112

Heard a guy talking about him on 98fm saying how horrible the situation is for him and that they cornered him into going to meet.....

Like what the fook he was in his mind going to get it on with a 13 year old.

Peadophile.

Iseedeadpixels

Take a seat riiiiight over there.

You say online "I wanna blank your blank"

Stream to catch a predator if anyone wants to see the American version.

soap1978

The hunter sounds stupid,bull about in ur country is it law.cant stand him,just hand it over to the cops and stop looking for the attention and glory

gozunda

wonderfullife wrote: »

I note you appear to lack the ability to read so I won't be entertaining any more of your drivel.

He will get his chance to plead today. I'm sure if he's guilty he will plead guilty and get it over with. Sadly, if he's innocent he's just as likely to plead guilty and get it over with rather than drag his family through a harrowing trial process where a lot will be revealed in defending himself.
Mob justice in a kangaroo court from a bunch of vigilante cowards.

I note your habit of attacking any one who doesn't fall for your Whataboutery. Your inexplicable defence of the guy is quite worrying tbh. Perhaps he should have been concerned about the effects of his actions on others and his 'family before posting pictures of his willy to the profile of a young girl!

The guy will get his say in a court of law and justice will be done.

wonderfullife

NIMAN wrote: »

I think the fact that he was planning to meet an 18yr old girl whilst he was married was maybe showing a bit of disrespect to his wife?

Trying to cheat on your wife isn't a crime.

NIMAN

wonderfullife wrote: »

He was cleared of all wrongdoing by the police but it was too late to save his job or his marriage.

I think the fact that he was planning to meet an 18yr old girl whilst he was married was maybe showing a bit of disrespect to his wife?

PARlance

orangerhyme wrote: »

I still have no sympathy for him though, sending pics to a 13 year old, and he doesn't seem too lonely from his real Facebook

Not that it's a important point but it has been interesting to see his number of friends plummet and followers increase over the last day.

NIMAN

DrPhilG wrote: »

He wasn't a school teacher was he?

I know he was a music teacher but I thought it was as in private lessons and tutoring etc rather than school.

Which is all the more worrying as he would have had one on one access to countless kids.

I just heard he was a teacher, so perhaps you are right.

NIMAN

LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »

I have to say I felt very uncomfortable watching the video, I know he was intending to commit a horrific crime but somehow the video felt very unnecessary, or the way they spoke to him anyway. The guy who does most of the talking mentions the fact that the guy is from Dublin and Ireland quite a lot, and over to harm one of "our" girls, shouldn't really matter, the fact that he wants to harm an underage girl is the point, not where she is from. Constantly calling him a disgusting paedophile and an animal etc just seems a bit gratuitous to me, wait for the police to come and deal with him, no need for the commentary.

I'd say this guy and maybe a few of the others there would love nothing more than to get their catch a good kicking.