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National pride

Synthol

What's up with the national anthems and being proud of your own country? To the point where you would cause conflict. It's literally a piece of land that you were born on by pure luck, borders were drawn with a pencil and then the people said this land is mine! It's the same piece of land as everywhere else. Imagine how great a world would be if it was just a single country with no borders and would be just like the earth has intended instead of imaginary borders drawn with a pencil by humans who decided that this particular piece of land is mine! And everyone should be proud of being born on this specific piece of land which is the same as all the others, but imaginary borders!

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Grayson

Hitman3000 wrote: »

You could be right never seen the two of them in the same room together mmmm....

Like the Olson twin.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

wakka12 wrote: »

I don't see anything wrong having nationalities. I think it makes us all interesting in our own way

Having individuality and personality is what makes people interesting, and that doesn't come from a nationality.

I've no problem with nationality but when there's excessvie pride about it it just becomes arrogant. Ireland is the best country in the world? Why - because they were born there?

Mint Sauce

Synthol wrote: »

Incoming thank whores. Go on write a cheeky comment to maximize your thanks.

See what you did there.

Help!!!!

Synthol wrote: »

What's up with the national anthems and being proud of your own country? To the point where you would cause conflict. It's literally a piece of land that you were born on by pure luck, borders were drawn with a pencil and then the people said this land is mine! It's the same piece of land as everywhere else. Imagine how great a world would be if it was just a single country with no borders and would be just like the earth has intended instead of imaginary borders drawn with a pencil by humans who decided that this particular piece of land is mine! And everyone should be proud of being born on this specific piece of land which is the same as all the others, but imaginary borders!

Do you lock your door when you leave your house?

Jawgap

Ah sure then you wouldn't get moments like Fitzgerald in Lansdowne Road.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVVuzOKBoCY

Ipso

In the spirit of this thread I am embarking in an outreach trip to Syria to get to know my ISIS brethren and to embrace them to my bosom.

milehip

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

It will NEVER happen.

Even if the current capitalist system collapses and is replaced with Socialist/Communist one, it will not work.

If that happens, it will be a different type of 1% that rule with an Iron Fist. And no Communist country has ever seen the mass of its populous living in anything but misery.

And if you mention Sweden, I would say that that is not even a really equal Socialist Democracy. Look at where they throw their "International Brethern" from the Third World. Out into the slums, throw them a few kroner here and there and let them rot.

This "International Brotherhood of Man" will never, ever exist. Except as a theoretical concept.

It could if we were invaded by aliens and we had to fight for survival we might all band together,but of course there always be a few collaborators,probably the Dutch.

Synthol

Help!!!! wrote: »

Do you lock your door when you leave your house?

Synthol

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Well Da Vinci concepted a lot of fantastical products in the 1500's such as helicopters, parachutes etc and he kept his head.

Ok add another 2000 years, better?

Help!!!!

Synthol wrote: »

No

Oh good so you live by your ideology then:rolleyes:

Ulysses Gaze

Synthol wrote: »

Ok add another 2000 years, better?

A borderless world will never happen.

Ever.

Synthol

Help!!!! wrote: »

Oh good so you live by your ideology then:rolleyes:

Of course.

Synthol

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

A borderless world will never happen.

Ever.

Listen up everybody, Ulysses Gaze said that it will never happen so that means that it will never happen. How do you know what the world will look like in 10 000 years? You can only guess

Ulysses Gaze

Synthol wrote: »

Listen up everybody, Ulysses Gaze said that it will never happen so that means that it will never happen. How do you know what the world will look like in 10 000 years? You can only guess

And so can you.

My guess that we will never have a borderless world is the same as you guessing that there will be one.

Prune Tracy

But we have families, neighbourhoods, communities, clubs, teams, villages, towns, cities, societies, cultures. Nations are just a bigger version of those. I don't agree with rabid national pride but I'm OK with people embracing their identity while respecting that of others.

Seeking a sense of belonging is natural.

wakka12

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Having individuality and personality is what makes people interesting, and that doesn't come from a nationality.

I've no problem with nationality but when there's excessvie pride about it it just becomes arrogant. Ireland is the best country in the world? Why - because they were born there?

Lots of circumstances beyond your control contribute to your personality. Your country might do that too, if you're from saudi arabia or syria or china or anywhere really the countries cultures,laws, economic problems, social problems will shape your personality and your opinions

Anyway I don't see what removing borders would do to alleviate any nationalism. People would simply attach themselves to a county/state or city they reside in rather than the country, my city is better than your city... Cityism would replace nationalism, its simply a different scale of the same thing.Thats the only change there would be

GMSA

What better way to display your national identity and loyalty than a national flag.
Or referred to as a fleg in some parts.

Noo

Tribes have been fighting over land since the forever, its a resouces and territorial thing. It still goes on the the depths of the rainforest where countries do not exist. It is not a new concept...its human nature and has evolved into the county system we know now.

Even if the world was one big happy planet with no borders, groups will settle somewhere plentiful and defend that area for survival. Its simple primative stuff here people!

Edward M

Imagine a world with Donald Trump as President!

Synthol

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

And so can you.

My guess that we will never have a borderless world is the same as you guessing that there will be one.

I don't claim to know the future like you, that is the difference. You with full confidence say that it will not happen even though you don't know.

Synthol

Prune Tracy wrote: »

But we have families, neighbourhoods, communities, clubs, teams, villages, towns, cities, societies, cultures. Nations are just a bigger version of those. I don't agree with rabid national pride but I'm OK with people embracing their identity while respecting that of others

Seeking a sense of belonging is natural.

So just because it's natural then that means that it's good? Viruses are natural, earthquakes are natural.

Synthol

GMSA wrote: »

What better way to display your national identity and loyalty than a national flag.
Or referred to as a fleg in some parts.

Yeah like a sheep.

Synthol

Noo wrote: »

Tribes have been fighting over land since the forever, its a resouces and territorial thing. It still goes on the the depths of the rainforest where countries do not exist. It is not a new concept...its human nature and has evolved into the county system we know now.

Even if the world was one big happy planet with no borders, groups will settle somewhere plentiful and defend that area for survival. Its simple primative stuff here people!

Defend that area for survival? Are we in the pre historic times or something?

Synthol

Edward M wrote: »

Imagine a world with Donald Trump as President!

Imagine a world where there is no fake news.

Roger Hassenforder

Synthol wrote: »

Ok add another 2000 years, better?

I reckoned you'd be still ok if your said that in the 3500s...

Noo

Synthol wrote: »

Defend that area for survival? Are we in the pre historic times or something?

Yeah youre right, I cant think of one single instance in modern times where a country has invaded another for a natural resource and claimed it all in the name of their own national pride and values.

Wanderer78

Noo wrote:

Yeah youre right, I can think of one single instance in modern times where a country has invaded another for a natural resource and claimed it all in the name of their own national pride and values.

In the name of 'democracy' so I believe!

gozunda

Synthol wrote: »

What's up with the national anthems and being proud of your own country? To the point where you would cause conflict. It's literally a piece of land that you were born on by pure luck, borders were drawn with a pencil and then the people said this land is mine! It's the same piece of land as everywhere else. Imagine how great a world would be if it was just a single country with no borders and would be just like the earth has intended instead of imaginary borders drawn with a pencil by humans who decided that this particular piece of land is mine! And everyone should be proud of being born on this specific piece of land which is the same as all the others, but imaginary borders!

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Its called national sovergnity. Look it up. In its most basic sense - Its a terriority in which people have selected to live and call home. Even groups of animals have territories and defend them so as to ensure their survival. We are animals- we do the same.

Who or what are you claiming that "has intended" anything? What about natural borders such as oceans and mountain ranges - should they be obliterated as well? Drain the oceans and flatten the mountains because we have a subset of humanity that wishes to do what they like because they demand it so?

Throw open the nation's of the world and you will have every despotic ruller and crackpot group dominating the planet in no time. Oh wait thats happening already ..

The problem with your thesis is that you assume that everyone has logical and / or unselfish motives ...

animaal

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

I've no problem with nationality but when there's excessvie pride about it it just becomes arrogant. Ireland is the best country in the world? Why - because they were born there?

I honestly don't recall anybody saying Ireland's the best country in the world - the closest was that time Enda Kenny promised to make us "the best little country in the world in which to do business".

But in general, I am proud of being Irish. This country isn't just somewhere we found ourselves for the first time yesterday morning. We actively make it what it is. We decide who runs the place. We decide the constitution and (indirectly) the laws. And we (or at least some of us) get taxed to the hilt to pay for it all. Why not take pride in it?

Sure, there are things that need to be fixed. And they deserve attention too. But the big picture is that we're doing a much better job than most of the world. There's no harm in recognising that. There are plenty of people who are quick enough to hit us over the head with it (i.e. we should be giving more to other countries because we're doing so much better).

gozunda

Synthol wrote: »

So just because it's natural then that means that it's good? Viruses are natural, earthquakes are natural.

You make the basic assumption that such things can be ascribed as "good" or "bad" ... The fact is they are as they are what they are ..

But yes believe it or not such forces are indeed part of our world. These very forces have created the planet on which we live. Viruses also have a role in reducing and controlling population numbers much as the same way as lions do with antelope etc. Earthquakes are part of earths tectonic movements by which the planet surface is created and recreated.

What I believe the poster was getting at was that as humans the seeeking a sense of belonging is natural to us. It's part of our biology and who we are. We can no more stop that than stop earthquakes.