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Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

JCX BXC

The seat map for the B767-200 being leased by EI next year are available on the Aer Lingus website, the seating is 2,3,2 in economy (As was suspected) and 2,2,2 in business

There are 189 economy seats and 12 Business seats making a total of the reported 201 seats.

Anyone know whether the B767 will be repainted, partially or entirely, in the EI colours for the 6 months that its leased for?

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IE 222

JCX BXC wrote: »

Based on what it took the 757 to do a rotation when it departed at 7:50am and arrived back at 23:30pm (IIRC), you wouldn't be departing until at least around 1am and not getting into NYC until after 3am.

Also, remember LON-NYC is a massive market, much bigger than IRL-NYC, giving room for such flights.

What I meant was doing it the opposite way. Depart JFK or BOS around 6am arrive in Dub 5pm returning again at 6:30pm in time for an another departure 11:30pm (rough times). Im guessing a quicker turn around time will be achived with the A321LR as well.

Making routes such as BOS & JFK all A321 would allow for W patterns and maybe even a cheap option to starting Cork if demand is there. Could 8 frames get 12 return flights a day with possibly using a 9th that had a long turn around time in Dublin such as the Hartford rotation.

geekington

Quick one - am I going mad or is there less space on the new A330's in economy than on the older birds? I flew EI-EAV on the way over and EI-FNG on the way back from NYC recently and it was a topic of conversation between some passengers.

Personally, it was really noticeable how much less space you have when comparing the two planes but wondering if I perhaps grew while I was NYC! The IFE was 1000% better but leg room was less than on a A320 which was hugely disappointing and made sleep impossible.

Kournikova

goingnowhere wrote: »

Isn't that the current livery...

The short haul airbus fleet has never worn anything else...

I was thinking of this one but I guess its more an 70s and 80s one with the current livery adopted in the 90s.
https://cdn-enterprise.discourse.org/infinite_flight/uploads/default/original/3X/3/b/3b2e21746a395d086887a545414bbaadaf142a5b.JPG

orionm_73

IE 222 wrote: »

What I meant was doing it the opposite way. Depart JFK or BOS around 6am arrive in Dub 5pm returning again at 6:30pm in time for an another departure 11:30pm (rough times). Im guessing a quicker turn around time will be achived with the A321LR.

Sorry I’m not getting the timings here,
1st flight JFK-DUB 0600-1700 local time
2nd flight DUB-JFK 1830-2030 approx
Do you mean a flight leaving JFK @ 2330 ? If so how would it get back for a 6am departure?

I don’t think it’s feasible doing 4 sectors per aircraft per day.

ohigg84

alancostello wrote: »

Qatar was my first thought, but Turkish have a good few CF6 A332s that were parked up for most of the last year at Antalya, some were leased in, so it's possible they're being returned and could be available to EI. The last A320 came from Aeroflot so I don't think they're too concerned about investor/alliance sourcing.

KLM could also be a possibility.

They operate General Electric CF6 powered A330-200s and -300s!

They have already sold 5/6 of their 332s to Shaheen Int'l Airlines (Pakistan), and I heard that they were going to dispose of the remainder of their A330-203s until all 787-9s arrived!

KLM is also expected to take deliver of A350s too, but not sure when!

kona

No point in getting more aircraft if you dont have the manpower to fix them and maintain them.

A319er

No issue re manpower as this is a hire in, and as in ASL , aircraft owner does the tech and driving side.

Bussywussy

kona wrote: »

No point in getting more aircraft if you dont have the manpower to fix them and maintain them.

Theres not even manpower avail for GCF ðŸ˜†

[Deleted User]

A319er wrote: »

No issue re manpower as this is a hire in, and as in ASL , aircraft owner does the tech and driving side.

I’m lost, what hire in are we talking about ?

Jamie2k9

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m lost, what hire in are we talking about ?

It's been suggested Air Tanker may be supplying the aircraft and flight deck.

[Deleted User]

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

It's been suggested Air Tanker may be supplying the aircraft and flight deck.

Thanks, so far we’ve had Qatar, Air Tanker and KLM. Considering the rumour and strong one at that that they(1-2) are ex Air Berlin I was finding it hard to keep up with what was being talked about and then the discussion seemed to have veered towards a definite hire in rather than lease.

billy few mates

Bussywussy wrote: »

Not sure If an ex air Berlin will suit... different engine type needs retraining and new license issue for engineers and of course approval pay agreement...that'll take a while....

I would imagine most guys who have A330 on their licence would already have it with more than one engine type but even if they don't, a two or three days Engine Differences course plus a couple of days practical training would hardly be a deal breaker...

JCX BXC

Do air tanker not have a completely different cabin layout to Aer Lingus? They'd need to fit Business class and IFE!

L1011

JCX BXC wrote: »

Do air tanker not have a completely different cabin layout to Aer Lingus? They'd need to fit Business class and IFE!

They're used to the idea of changing; as they fitted out for the carriers that use them now and they are effectively MRTT tankers 'temporarily' fitted out for pax use.

Bussywussy

billy few mates wrote: »

Bussywussy wrote: »

Not sure If an ex air Berlin will suit... different engine type needs retraining and new license issue for engineers and of course approval pay agreement...that'll take a while....

I would imagine most guys who have A330 on their licence would already have it with more than one engine type but even if they don't, a two or three days Engine Differences course plus a couple of days practical training would hardly be a deal breaker...

In EI it would ....I just can't see a different engine type being introduced..they must of sourced a CF6 type if true...or is it possible Toronto and Washington both on 757 if one of them sourced...I've lost track of what does what or what's planned

kona

A319er wrote: »

No issue re manpower as this is a hire in, and as in ASL , aircraft owner does the tech and driving side.

Unions would want to have a hard look at themselves if things end up.going down this route. Airline should be investing in its manpower, not subcontring it out to the cheapest bidder.

JCX BXC

kona wrote: »

Unions would want to have a hard look at themselves if things end up.going down this route. Airline should be investing in its manpower, not subcontring it out to the cheapest bidder.

Why should they be? It's a commonly done thing, businesses are out to make money! These leases are only temporary, why would an airline invest in a maintenance team for just one aircraft that could be gone in a few years?

Lapmo_Dancer

It won’t be a hire in or a short term lease.

joeysoap

JCX BXC wrote: »

Why should they be? It's a commonly done thing, businesses are out to make money! These leases are only temporary, why would an airline invest in a maintenance team for just one aircraft that could be gone in a few years?

if the airline makes more money the unions (quite rightly) will want a share.

kona

JCX BXC wrote: »

Why should they be? It's a commonly done thing, businesses are out to make money! These leases are only temporary, why would an airline invest in a maintenance team for just one aircraft that could be gone in a few years?

Why not just subcontract all of its flight crew and maintenance . They were well able to type pilots of the 757 btw.

Race to the bottom

NH2013

This latest arrival will be fully crewed internally, and will be a long term lease. Pilot sim dates have already been arranged and this years new cabin crew will being trained up on A330 ops on their return in the spring.

Also to point out, 75% of the 757 pilots are Aer Lingus pilots on secondment to ASL, and 100% of the Cabin Crew are Aer Lingus. You’d have a very tough time convincing unions to allow and external company to operate a long term lease on an A330, the pilots union in particular would be quite militant about it.

Bussywussy

NH2013 wrote: »

This latest arrival will be fully crewed internally, and will be a long term lease. Pilot sim dates have already been arranged and this years new cabin crew will being trained up on A330 ops on their return in the spring.

Also to point out, 75% of the 757 pilots are Aer Lingus pilots on secondment to ASL, and 100% of the Cabin Crew are Aer Lingus. You’d have a very tough time convincing unions to allow and external company to operate a long term lease on an A330, the pilots union in particular would be quite militant about it.

Yea but none of the engineering were offered a 757 type course or in no way considered to look after them....
Think There's currently a B1 A330 type conversion course ongoing...no B2 side,that's smart,just wait and see will there be the Trent engine option at the end.....

MoeJay

The only rollers in Aer Lingus will be those on CJX and those heading to Vegas....

IrishYamm

Aer Lingus has no plans to re-join One World alliance
https://m.independent.ie/business/irish/aer-lingus-has-no-plans-to-rejoin-airline-alliance-36320589.html

Personally I’m not surprised. I think people started to get too excited with something that wasn’t ever confirmed properly.

Bussywussy

GCF is currently on another test flight as F-WWCN in the TLS region....

Tenger

IrishYamm wrote: »

Aer Lingus has no plans to re-join One World alliance
https://m.independent.ie/business/irish/aer-lingus-has-no-plans-to-rejoin-airline-alliance-36320589.html

Personally I’m not surprised. I think people started to get too excited with something that wasn’t ever confirmed properly.

While it was mentioned during the IAG takeover there has been very little actual info on this since then. Perhaps EI were lukewarm about it from the start?

Jamie2k9

Tenger wrote: »

IrishYamm wrote: »

Aer Lingus has no plans to re-join One World alliance
https://m.independent.ie/business/irish/aer-lingus-has-no-plans-to-rejoin-airline-alliance-36320589.html

Personally I’m not surprised. I think people started to get too excited with something that wasn’t ever confirmed properly.

While it was mentioned during the IAG takeover there has been very little actual info on this since then. Perhaps EI were lukewarm about it from the start?

Indeed never really interested and I will be surprised if the JV happens

Van.Bosch

Tenger wrote: »

While it was mentioned during the IAG takeover there has been very little actual info on this since then. Perhaps EI were lukewarm about it from the start?

Also an interesting turn of phrase from SK in that Seattle, Denver and Minneapolis “should be” competing for their business.

Is that a negotiation tactic?

Also surprised Texas wasn’t referenced.

HTCOne

YUL and MSP would be 321LR destinations, he might be reminding them they have competition and need to work hard for the business

sandbelter

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Indeed never really interested and I will be surprised if the JV happens

My recollection's a bit different, I think they are interested but the conditions attached to IAG's takeover of EI (namely to grandfather existing AC, UA and EY code shares) have effectively made it impossible for there to be an effective joint venture with AA.
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