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Neil3030

awec wrote: »

Pirlo, Del Piero, Maldini, Baggio, Totti, Nesta, Materazzi, Cannavarro, Baresi.

How can a nation that produces those sorts of players suddenly dry up and fail to qualify entirely?

For those of you who don’t understand the round ball game it’s like South Africa not qualifying for a rugby World Cup.

I wouldn't have the first idea tbh, but Italy is very fixed in its ways across all walks of life, and soccer would be somewhat hampered by its popularity (i.e., a large backlash would probably await any major overhaul) so it wouldn't surprise me if the game has passed them by, somewhat.

Diabhal Beag

Imagine Ireland dropping not playing Andrew Trimble in his prime and you basically get the Ventura guy not playing Insigne, arguably their best attacker.

awec

Ireland didn’t pick Trimble in his prime years

Zzippy

awec wrote: »

Read the Wicklow Voice tonight for the first time.

What a paper, almost makes me want to live in wickla. Two sharks had sex in bray, headline news!

*Literally* jumped the shark ...

Diabhal Beag

awec wrote: »

Ireland didn’t pick Trimble in his prime years

I was only around 12 that season tbf

mfceiling

awec wrote: »

For those of you who don’t understand the round ball game it’s like South Africa not qualifying for a rugby World Cup.

Which at the present moment is perfectly believable.

Zzippy

Ewan MacKenna likes to be a bit controversial on twitter... here he is calling a guy who respectfully said he'd love to bring his kids to a RWC game in Ireland. There was another tweet just as bad but he's deleted both now. I'd say the Indo are glad he's freelance and not representing them... :pac:

https://twitter.com/youngmunstersfa/status/929829523088134144

mfceiling

Fair play to the people of Sydney. Vote taken for the new name for a ferry down at the harbour.

The winner?

Ferry McFerryface

Neil3030

Should I be worried that I'm getting this bloody capcha thing every time I open boards.ie, or is this happening to everyone?

Podge_irl

Happening to me very regularly. But I browse some awful dodgy stuff so I’d still be worried.

thomond2006

Has Wikileaks got any credibility left?

[Deleted User]

thomond2006 wrote: »

Has Wikileaks got any credibility left?

Absolutely none and they haven't really had any in over a year.

thomond2006

Zzippy wrote: »

Ewan MacKenna likes to be a bit controversial on twitter... here he is calling a guy who respectfully said he'd love to bring his kids to a RWC game in Ireland. There was another tweet just as bad but he's deleted both now. I'd say the Indo are glad he's freelance and not representing them... :pac:

https://twitter.com/youngmunstersfa/status/929829523088134144

Please don't bring him up. Anyone who suggests with no evidence that a RWC would take resources from health or welfare services isn't worth your time. He's an anti-rugby S*ephen J*nes.

Block and move on.

Bazzo

Zzippy wrote: »

Ewan MacKenna likes to be a bit controversial on twitter... here he is calling a guy who respectfully said he'd love to bring his kids to a RWC game in Ireland. There was another tweet just as bad but he's deleted both now. I'd say the Indo are glad he's freelance and not representing them... :pac:

Would that be the same young Munster man who posts on here I wonder?

[Deleted User]

thomond2006 wrote: »

Please don't bring him up. Anyone who suggests with no evidence that a RWC would take resources from health or welfare services isn't worth your time. He's an anti-rugby S*ephen J*nes.

Block and move on.

He's not even a taxpayer here, he lives in South America. He can, quite frankly, get ****ed.

Neil3030

thomond2006 wrote: »

Please don't bring him up. Anyone who suggests with no evidence that a RWC would take resources from health or welfare services isn't worth your time. He's an anti-rugby S*ephen J*nes.

Block and move on.

He strikes me as the bastard son of Paul Kimmage and Joe Higgins, who grew up as a feral child on the set of The Frontline. Though I'm glad I've only ever been subjected to a handful of his articles.

Don Kiddick

thomond2006 wrote: »

Please don't bring him up. Anyone who suggests with no evidence that a RWC would take resources from health or welfare services isn't worth your time. He's an anti-rugby S*ephen J*nes.

Block and move on.

Twitter's a ghost town to you .. Obama and John Hayes hashtags are all you see

Buer

Neil3030 wrote: »

He strikes me as the bastard son of Paul Kimmage and Joe Higgins, who grew up as a feral child on the set of The Frontline. Though I'm glad I've only ever been subjected to a handful of his articles.

He's the actual son of a fairly prominent Irish literary figure. An excellent writer but I've no doubt the family name opened many doors given how quickly established he became in the business from a very early age.

That Tweet will do him no favours. Free lance or not, he writes for American publications such as Bleacher Report who won't look kindly on such activities. Moronic.

donfers

How in God's name are Australia ahead of this in the world rankings? I would fancy us every time against them at the moment...not sure how they are hanging onto 3rd place.

prawnsambo

donfers wrote: »

How in God's name are Australia ahead of this in the world rankings? I would fancy us every time against them at the moment...not sure how they are hanging onto 3rd place.

They beat Wales away. Now I know that's nearly a given for them, but the away win gives an extra bounce in the rankings. We got a bounce from beating SA, but we were at home which takes some of the potential points off.

Bazzo

prawnsambo wrote: »

They beat Wales away. Now I know that's nearly a given for them, but the away win gives an extra bounce in the rankings. We got a bounce from beating SA, but we were at home which takes some of the potential points off.

There's also the small matter of them having beat New Zealand in the third Bledisloe match.

mfceiling

Buer wrote: »

That Tweet will do him no favours. Free lance or not, he writes for American publications such as Bleacher Report who won't look kindly on such activities. Moronic.

And I'm sure no one has sent that tweet to said publications for their take on it.

Neil3030

I started a thread over in the property thread on this, but a few of you are decent analytic types who could offer good insight, so I'll copy here too:

So in a report by the ESRI, summarised here, they predict house prices to rise 20% by 2020 (conservative estimate) but that prices are not "overcooked".

But a number of points are not quite clear to me:

- use of the word "recover" to describe the return to 2007 housing prices, in my opinion, completely dismisses that there was ever a bubble. Not the best choice of words there, imo.

- Looking at the graph of house prices to disposable income, we scored near a 1.20 in 2007, and we now score a 0.70, which positions us toward the bottom of the select sub-sample of countries. This is the main argument that prices in Ireland are now "affordable". But prices have also, apparently, "recovered". So if the prices are the same now as they were in 2007, the only way we move from a 1.20 in 2007 to a 0.70 now, is if disposable income has increased by over 70%, if my maths* are correct. I can't say I've observed such a leap in living standards?

- Also on that same graph, I'd like to know if they used median or mean house prices (are outlier mega properties inflating or deflating certain ratios) and I'd also like to know how or what they consider to be "disposable income". Also, how did we score on other ratios, like house prices to GNP, house prices per average industrial wage, and, further, where we stand relative to other countries.

*assuming house price remains constant:
L2 = 1.2*L1/0.7
=> L2 = 1.71*L1
where L1 is living standards in 2007, L2 is 2016

stephen_n

Neil3030 wrote: »

I started a thread over in the property thread on this, but a few of you are decent analytic types who could offer good insight, so I'll copy here too:

So in a report by the ESRI, summarised here, they predict house prices to rise 20% by 2020 (conservative estimate) but that prices are not "overcooked".

But a number of points are not quite clear to me:

- use of the word "recover" to describe the return to 2007 housing prices, in my opinion, completely dismisses that there was ever a bubble. Not the best choice of words there, imo.

- Looking at the graph of house prices to disposable income, we scored near a 1.20 in 2007, and we now score a 0.70, which positions us toward the bottom of the select sub-sample of countries. This is the main argument that prices in Ireland are now "affordable". But prices have also, apparently, "recovered". So if the prices are the same now as they were in 2007, the only way we move from a 1.20 in 2007 to a 0.70 now, is if disposable income has increased by over 70%, if my maths* are correct. I can't say I've observed such a leap in living standards?

- Also on that same graph, I'd like to know if they used median or mean house prices (are outlier mega properties inflating or deflating certain ratios) and I'd also like to know how or what they consider to be "disposable income". Also, how did we score on other ratios, like house prices to GNP, house prices per average industrial wage, and, further, where we stand relative to other countries.

*assuming house price remains constant:
L2 = 1.2*L1/0.7
=> L2 = 1.71*L1
where L1 is living standards in 2007, L2 is 2016

I'm not very analytical at all, but weren't the ESRI the ones saying everything was fine in 2007?

Sephiral

I think everyone was claiming everything was fine in 2007 and continued claiming so for an absurdly long time after that. Below is a fairly accurate example of the Irish government response to the crisis:

re: house prices rising 20% in the next three years. This is utter insanity. We are approaching a situation where a couple on the average/median industrial wage will not be able to afford any kind of home purchase. It is ridiculous.

[Deleted User]

Sephiral wrote: »

I think everyone was claiming everything was fine in 2007 and continued claiming so for an absurdly long time after that. Below is a fairly accurate example of the Irish government response to the crisis:

re: house prices rising 20% in the next three years. This is utter insanity. We are approaching a situation where a couple on the average/median industrial wage will not be able to afford any kind of home purchase. It is ridiculous.

It's grand though, the banks can just lend more. What could go wrong!

[Deleted User]

Sephiral wrote: »

re: house prices rising 20% in the next three years. This is utter insanity. We are approaching a situation where a couple on the average/median industrial wage will not be able to afford any kind of home purchase. It is ridiculous.

The average industrial wage is something like €37k. If you've a couple on that each it's €74k.

The central bank lending rules say you can borrow 3.5 times your salary which is 3.5*74 = €259k, add your deposit to that and you're still under €300k. Which rules out a massive chunk of Dublin at least.

Now people get parental gifts, inheritance etc etc but if you're not the beneficiary of something like that and you live in Dublin on the average industrial wage it's already very difficult.

Deleted User wrote: »

It's grand though, the banks can just lend more. What could go wrong!

I'm pretty sure there's no evidence of reckless lending at the moment, is there?

Neil3030

Yeah, the one sensible thing the report seems to mention is that lending restrictions should not ease up, to stop credit-driven inflation adding further to the misery.

b.gud

Interested Observer wrote: »

The average industrial wage is something like €37k. If you've a couple on that each it's €74k.

The central bank lending rules say you can borrow 3.5 times your salary which is 3.5*74 = €259k, add your deposit to that and you're still under €300k. Which rules out a massive chunk of Dublin at least.

Now people get parental gifts, inheritance etc etc but if you're not the beneficiary of something like that and you live in Dublin on the average industrial wage it's already very difficult.

I'm pretty sure there's no evidence of reckless lending at the moment, is there?

Funny enough I was just recently in at the banks for a meeting about getting a mortgage, I'm a bit over the avg wage herself is a bit below and we were told under the new rules what we could we could get €250k. The very next sentence was don't worry about that though we can apply for an exemption for about €20k more for ye and they are pretty much always approved.

We were looking to buy an existing house but the mortgage consultant then went on to tell us about new builds that were going up near there and that we should look into the help to buy scheme and see if we could get a bit more of a deposit together with the help of our parents. By the end of the meeting she had us looking at getting a mortgage for about €40k more than we went in wanting.

It's not quite the heady days of the boom where they were sending you out with a 110% mortgage at a completely unsustainable amount but there certainly is still some pushing from the banks to get you to a borrow more

pappyodaniel

Well lads, is the France NZ game televised on any of the French TV channels?