Jimmy Garlic wrote: » Sorry Gatling, it isn't BS, as much as you might like it to be so. There was a terrorist precence from the very start of the so called civil war in Syria. The peaceful demos that some insist on waxing lyrical about were anything but. Yes civilians did get killed in those first days, so did a lot of Syrian police. Mainly as a result of terrorist snipers who were using the same tactics that were used in Kiev - put blood on the streets to create chaos and exasperate the situation. I have no doubt that there was discontent in Syria back in 2011. That was well and truely exploited and hijacked. On a side note, I have been courteous and open to debate on this thread. I have refrained from casting insults.
Jimmy Garlic wrote: » No question about it. Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is the best thing that ever happened to Russia. He brought it back from the chaos of the collapse of the Soviets to where it is today, a great power, a counterbalance to US imperialism,.
Irish Praetorian wrote: » Really, how has that worked out in Eastern Europe since the fall of the USSR? The places where the US/NATO holds sway have largely become modern free democratic societies. In a few cases it its stopped genocide (Bosnia/Kosovo). Contrast that with the Russian influenced fringes such as Abkhazia, Donbass, Crimea - frozen conflicts and ethnic cleansing. Lets go a little further, do you imagine the China Sea and the nine-dash region is going to have more or less conflict as US influence in the region abates? It's not a particularly easy choice of make, especially when you consider the colossal mistake of Iraq, but the US still strikes me as being the least malign option.
server down wrote: » I’m not sure why you are blaming Russia for areas that collapsed after the soviet empire. Why not blame Britain for modern Zimbabwe? The US support of democracy overseas is contingent on whether those democracies support US policy. If they don’t the US supports or orchestrates a coup. See the history of Latin America. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Condor In the case of Eastern Europe the countries are, for now, in the US camp so the US doesn’t interfere. Except for the Ukraine. Where it did. As for China, imagine a world where China was such a belligerent power that it didn’t care for international law and had overthrown Iraq for its own imperialistic reasons, then supported the overthrow of Assad as a “dictator” by the most extreme Islamists (while simultaneously supporting the Saudis), and along with its allies orchestrated the overthrow of the Libyan leader because he annoyed them. Add to that a never ending war in Afghanistan. And imagine all of this belligerence killed millions. And let’s say these actions destabilised the actual continent you were living in as well. Moreover, in this other universe China is not finished because it’s now banging the war drums against Iran, a war that would further destabilise the Middle East, Asia and Europe. Would you be supportive of this hegemony?
pitifulgod wrote: » You find killing political opponents to be a good leadership quality? Fair few on here seem to conveniently ignore this. If memory serves correctly, Russia is also the third most dangerous place for journalists to operate. Inspiring, eh?
tomwaterford wrote: » Vlad could be in bother here....looks like their covering up something??https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/worldviews/wp/2017/11/11/radioactive-cloud-that-covered-europe-might-be-from-russia-dont-worry-about-it-though/
server down wrote: » Honestly we’re i to play the troll game I could claim to be equally convinced you are a bot or shrill from the CIA or Israel. Nothing you say is particularly Irish related. Your entire search history is pro US shrilling.
conditioned games wrote: » You've hit the nail on the head. Years of constant pro American foreign policy and anti Russian rhetoric, even when faced with the actual realities of what is really happening, has raised the issue from numerous users that Gatling is a paid American troll spreading blatant lies.
weisses wrote: » Lets see what the Russia apologists make of this onehttps://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/930386821401530368https://twitter.com/EliotHiggins/status/930389250574561280/photo/1
conditioned games wrote: » Gatling is a paid American troll spreading blatant lies.
Gatling wrote: » Bhaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaa Unfortunately for me I've always presented Actual varified facts . Unlike the others on here comrade
Jimmy Garlic wrote: » Verified ''facts'' garnered from buzzfeed and the like.
el diablo wrote: » Buzzfeed, Vice. WaPo, BBC, CNN and Snopes are his main sources of information apparently.
Jimmy Garlic wrote: » Fantastic to see Vladimir Vladimirovich overseeing the restoration of Russias glory. Symbolic as this is the resting place of another great Russian, Generalissimo Alexander Vasilyevich Suvorov.
Chrongen wrote: » Regarding the massive threat from Putin and Russia....I was in Tallinn and Riga last week. No fear there. I sometimes think that all this fear is made up. There was no hunkering down awaiting the Russian invasion. People were doing their thing.
Chrongen wrote: » In Tallinn people would take the ferry from Helsinki in Finland but also Russians would come over and stay the weekend "on the beer". People I spoke to routinely drove to St. Petersburg the same way that people from Munich drive to Prague. Russian invasion? I didn't see it and the people of the Baltics laugh at the notion.
Irish Praetorian wrote: » Yeah I always shudder to think of those big slices of Ukraine annexed by the Americans, or the parts of Georgia carved up by the Americans, or that statelet in Moldova occupied by all those Americans.... In all seriousness, there is nothing preventing people from disliking both US and Russian foreign policy, its not an "either or" situation.
el diablo wrote: » The Yanks and their EU lapdogs are responsible for destabilizing Ukraine and installing a puppet government there. Of course Russia were never going to take this lightly. Similar story in Georgia in 2008.
