Billy86 wrote: » The victim card really is beyond a tired canard at this point alright. Under the surface it's been clear what the alt-right are about from a long while back - right down to the founder of the movement, Richard Spencer, being banned from Schengen for promoting and organising Neo Nazi rallies. Neither of us would deny that I'm a bit quicker to judge than you if we go back through each of our posts on a variety of matters, but for me the undoubted slipping of the mask was the 'Heil Trump!' and 'lugenpress' stuff, and not only the sheer lack of criticism of it from any of them or even those loosely associated with it, but the open celebration of it from the alt-right themselves. And of course the whole carry on in Spencer's mothers' home town, Charlottesville (not just the murder, the whole march was a glorified Neo Nazi parade) and numerous similar incidents. The mask in my opinion stopped slipping a while back; they've pretty much just done a Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible and 'triumphantly' (in their heads) ripped it clean off by themselves. SNIP. Please don't discuss posters who have closed accounts.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » I try not to dismiss things I disagree with with single words like "racist" but with this alt right movement, that's now impossible. A friend recommended Ben Shapiro but he went straight for the "If I criticize unfettered, mass immigration, they call me racist" schtick so I just gave up. Not sure how many people here are familiar with Britain First so I upped that link. Odd agreeing with Nick Ferrari but stranger things have happened I suppose.
Billy86 wrote: » The Legend Of Kira wrote: » I wouldn,t class Nigel Farage or Donald Trump as ordinary people as they ve lots of money + can provideo security for themselves, but even some people with money have found themselves being targeted for saying stuff critical about Islam as Ayaan Hirsi Al found out in the past when she was forced into hiding due to threats . I'm unsure if you listened to the interview anca put up, but am curious as to how you're not up in arms over Britain First's efforts to silence the debate by so eagerly wanting an outright ban on Islam? Many times that's been your #1 gripe so it's odd to not have issue with it here.
The Legend Of Kira wrote: » I wouldn,t class Nigel Farage or Donald Trump as ordinary people as they ve lots of money + can provideo security for themselves, but even some people with money have found themselves being targeted for saying stuff critical about Islam as Ayaan Hirsi Al found out in the past when she was forced into hiding due to threats .
The Legend Of Kira wrote: » I wouldn,t class Nigel Farage or Donald Trump as ordinary people as they ve lots of money + can provideo security for themselves, but even some people with money have found themselves being targeted for saying stuff critical about Islam as [font=merriweather, georgia, serif]Ayaan Hirsi Al found out in the past when she was forced into hiding due to threats .[/font]
ancapailldorcha wrote: » The Legend Of Kira wrote: » First off regarding ( Britain First ) Im not a fan of theirs given that they re a loyalist group, lets ask the question though why have ( Britain First ) become a thing in recent years ? when an atmosphere is created in where ordinary people are made afraid to say anything publicly remotely critical of Islam for fear of being called " racist " even though Islam is a religion or fear of being hassled or doxxed by left wing groups or fear of talking about grooming gangs what can happen to someone if they dare publicly speak about such gangs as Sarah Champion Labour Mp found out when she got demoted within her party after she wrote an article in a newspaper a few months daring to publicly address the issue, when such a atmosphere is created that certain things are off limits from public discussion it can create a vacuum for someone else to come along & fill in which what has happened with ( Britain First ) & why they have become a thing in recent years in my view, some people may or may not read Spiked Online Magazine, just yesterday Brendan o'Neill wrote an article giving somewhat of a similar analysis.http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/britain-first-a-monster-of-the-lefts-own-making-trump-retweet/20589 That's absurd. You have the likes of Nigel Farage, Britain First, Breitbart, Fox News and Donald Trump doing this with no restraint or consequences whatsoever. This pretend victimhood is just pathetic to be honest.
The Legend Of Kira wrote: » First off regarding ( Britain First ) Im not a fan of theirs given that they re a loyalist group, lets ask the question though why have ( Britain First ) become a thing in recent years ? when an atmosphere is created in where ordinary people are made afraid to say anything publicly remotely critical of Islam for fear of being called " racist " even though Islam is a religion or fear of being hassled or doxxed by left wing groups or fear of talking about grooming gangs what can happen to someone if they dare publicly speak about such gangs as Sarah Champion Labour Mp found out when she got demoted within her party after she wrote an article in a newspaper a few months daring to publicly address the issue, when such a atmosphere is created that certain things are off limits from public discussion it can create a vacuum for someone else to come along & fill in which what has happened with ( Britain First ) & why they have become a thing in recent years in my view, some people may or may not read Spiked Online Magazine, just yesterday Brendan o'Neill wrote an article giving somewhat of a similar analysis.http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/britain-first-a-monster-of-the-lefts-own-making-trump-retweet/20589
Billy86 wrote: » It's been pretty clear for well over a year to be honest, though it is good to see them continue to expose themselves. Though funny enough enough that was essentially a 7min 30sec After Hours post.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » Here's Nick Ferrari trying to assess Jayda Fransen's motives for propagating this:http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/nick-ferraris-fiery-interview-with-jayda-fransen/ As you might expect, he makes no progress. I do try to be open minded but it seems to me that the alt right is losing its mask and just seems to be driven solely by hatred and some perverse form of Aryanism.
dublinman1990 wrote: » There was a demonstration from alt right, white supremacists & neo nazi groups at Warsaw in Poland a few weeks ago. 100K people attended the march during Poland's recent bank holiday weekend. I just thought that I put this up here because I watched a report about the march from Al Jazeera HD on the TV.
20Cent wrote: » trump retweeting far right propaganda videos can't be helping either.
The Legend Of Kira wrote: » Quick short reply, since I 1st heard of him in the last few months from reading his posts online- I would agree with a lot of what he says as he appears to be a leader who acknowledges there is problems within Islam & that Islam needs reform, I leave my reply at that .
Tawhidi is not recognised as an Imam or Sheikh by either the Australian National Imams Council or its South Australian equivalent, nor is he affiliated with any Australian mosque or prayer centre. The only religious instruction he offers is a self-described "university standard" Islamic Studies class delivered from a rented classroom at the University of South Australia. Course content posted online includes rambling refutations of the Big Bang and the theory of human evolution. A video he has shared on social media depicting a sparrow repeatedly fluttering against another sparrow gives a taste of his views on the latter. The caption reads: "Watch how this bird performs CPR on another bird, something we humans won't learn without an educational training course; so who taught that bird?"
The Legend Of Kira wrote: » I would agree with a lot of what he says as he appears to be a leader who acknowledges there is problems within Islam & that Islam needs reform...
Sweetemotion wrote: » I asked do you agree with "The teachings of Islam"?
oscarBravo wrote: » Of course not...
Sweetemotion wrote: » ...is avoiding the question.
oscarBravo wrote: » The Legend Of Kira wrote: » For people who use the bogus term of " Islamophobia " even known moderate Imams see & recognize such a term is nonsense, this is a recent tweet from Imam Tawhidi & what he said about " Islamophobia " by attaching this screensave of his recent tweet Im quoting him . Do you agree with everything Imam Tawhidi says, as a matter of interest? Criticising radicals isn't bigotry: this is a truism. Terrorists must be stopped: this is a truism. None of this changes the meaning of "Islamophobia" which is a well-understood and broadly-accepted term, except by people who want to do stupid things like link terrorism with the teachings of Islam and then get upset when accused of Islamophobia.
The Legend Of Kira wrote: » For people who use the bogus term of " Islamophobia " even known moderate Imams see & recognize such a term is nonsense, this is a recent tweet from Imam Tawhidi & what he said about " Islamophobia " by attaching this screensave of his recent tweet Im quoting him .
WinnyThePoo wrote: » The Legend Of Kira wrote: » For people who use the bogus term of " Islamophobia " even known moderate Imams see & recognize such a term is nonsense, this is a recent tweet from Imam Tawhidi & what he said about " Islamophobia " by attaching this screensave of his recent tweet Im quoting him . So what are you adding to this conversation?. Are you a supporter of the alt right?.
ancapailldorcha wrote: » Mod: Please bear in mind that the thread is about the alt-right, not Islam in general.
oscarBravo wrote: » Was it? Got a source for that? Of course not, I'm an atheist. I don't agree with the teachings of any religions. I don't have to agree with the teachings of Islam to have a problem with idiots conflating "muslim" with "terrorist".
Sweetemotion wrote: » It's just another word, created to stop people questioning "The teachings of Islam" because of people like you calling them an Islamaphobic.
Do you agree with all the teachings of Islam?
oscarBravo wrote: » Do you agree with everything Imam Tawhidi says, as a matter of interest? Criticising radicals isn't bigotry: this is a truism. Terrorists must be stopped: this is a truism. None of this changes the meaning of "Islamophobia" which is a well-understood and broadly-accepted term, except by people who want to do stupid things like link terrorism with the teachings of Islam and then get upset when accused of Islamophobia.
