skyblue46 wrote: » I agree, and I don't! Lance Armstrong wouldn't have been exposed if it wasn't for David Walshe and Paul Kimmage. It had nothing to do with drug testing. He never failed a test...nor did Carl Lewis :rolleyes: It wasn't a Spanish club that was at the centre of the scandal it was an Italian Old Lady. I suppose the reason that cycling, athletics and swimming have bigger problems is that so much of ones ability is based on physical prowess. You need other skills for tennis, rugby, football etc but runners and cyclists need speed and endurance which can be improved by drugs.
Chivito550 wrote: » I watch a lot of tennis. Doping is never discussed.
walshb wrote: » We’ll leave it there...answers questions with questions goes nowhere.
Alf Veedersane wrote: » Sharapova was given prime time when she came back for US Open. Tennis doesn't want to lose its stars. Doping? No hablo español.
skyblue46 wrote: » That's the hypocrisy. I watch cycling all year long on Eurosport. Carlton Kirby keeps referring to cyclists drugs bans as "unfortunate absences" or "troubles". Steve Cram is the same with athletics and I presume tennis commentators skirt the issue too.
walshb wrote: » Thanks for clearing that up...
Chivito550 wrote: » There’s no skill in descending down a mountain in the alps around hairpin bends? There’s no skill in driving out of starting blocks? There’s no skill regarding technique for hurdles, jumps, throws? Cycling and athletics have more problems because they test more. It’s as simple as that. Don’t be fooled into thinking otherwise.
average_runner wrote: » She got that in the US but not in UK or French slams. Tennis is fading quickly in the USA
RuMan wrote: » Well Dr Fuentes was a certain injury prone tennis players doctor but i'm sure there's a perfectly innocent explanation.
ThisRegard wrote: » Back to the athlete in question. What was her background and record coming into the games, any association with suspect coaches or camps? Were eyebrows raised when she won London and her other marathons?
Alf Veedersane wrote: » The US Open was her first back after the ban...
Chivito550 wrote: » Cram talks about doping a lot. Sure he was the one who created the good v evil nonsense during Beijing World Championships.
clickerquicklic wrote: » If you had a whole football team working with a doctor (which I'm sure happens) its harder to measure the improvements in numerical terms.
skyblue46 wrote: » Skills relative to other sports. All sports require skills but for some there is more to be gained by physical improvement than skill improvement. Usain Bolt could never get out of the blocks but it never hindered him. The English sports system transferred rowers to cycling and vice versa based on physiological profiles. This could not be done with skill dominated based sports. Some might call these other sports games!
Chivito550 wrote: » It’s a myth that Bolt was a poor starter. He was actually a very good starter. He wouldn’t be first out, but he’d have a habit of perfecting his start in time for the final and would get out well. Doesn’t matter how skillful a footballer is if he is bolloxed with 15 minutes to go. Enter EPO.
average_runner wrote: » Eh no it wasn't.http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2017/05/maria-sharapova-not-given-wild-card-entry-for-french-open/66074/
skyblue46 wrote: » Oh he does alright...except when the athlete in question is British
ThisRegard wrote: » Their superior stamina and recovery as a match progresses would be apparent.
skyblue46 wrote: » Ok I'm confused. Are we agreeing drugs are in every real sport?
Alf Veedersane wrote: » That link said she didn't play... But I take your point. That being said, some within the game will take a stance against doping, some won't. But I don't think the testing in tennis is particularly strict or thorough. Nor other sports either. I think cycling and athletics take all the flak because people get caught but I think that's largely because other sports don't test as stringently.
Chivito550 wrote: » I’m basically disproving the nonsense that doping helps somebody in one sport more than another. Physical fitness is huge in every sport, and so doping plays a big role across the board in terms of various sports.
average_runner wrote: » Cough cough 2012 European cup final. International
