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Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread VIII - MOD NOTE POST #4781

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prawnsambo

irishfan9 wrote: »

If we have Sexton we should win, if we dont and Carbery starts....

Hasn't that rumour been quashed?

aloooof

Deleted User wrote: »

For whatever reason I thought he was here longer and played a lot less.

Team announcement is Thursday I presume? I reckon we will absolutely smash them, Ireland by 20+.

This Bok's team has one performance in them and they used it to get close to an uninterested and heavily injured All Blacks team. We should be looking to put them right to the sword.

Bookies have us 5 point favourites, be interesting to see how much that changes by when the teams are announced.

irishfan9

If we have Sexton we should win, if we dont and Carbery starts....

[Deleted User]

molloyjh wrote: »

How dare you disparage Clint Newlands good name. The man was rarely injured. He was generally just so ineffectual it seemed like he was. He "played" 12 games in his 3 months with us.

For whatever reason I thought he was here longer and played a lot less.

Team announcement is Thursday I presume? I reckon we will absolutely smash them, Ireland by 20+.

This Bok's team has one performance in them and they used it to get close to an uninterested and heavily injured All Blacks team. We should be looking to put them right to the sword.

molloyjh

Deleted User wrote: »

Haven't been able to do anything with the doll yet, have had it 2 years and it's been injured the entire time!

How dare you disparage Clint Newlands good name. The man was rarely injured. He was generally just so ineffectual it seemed like he was. He "played" 12 games in his 3 months with us.

[Deleted User]

Buer wrote: »

Not sure if that GIF is one of disgust or a demonstration of what Venjur does to the doll?

Haven't been able to do anything with the doll yet, have had it 2 years and it's been injured the entire time!

Beechwoodspark

irishbucsfan wrote: »

https://twitter.com/chrisjonespress/status/927839927542444033

Buttering us up

irishbucsfan

https://twitter.com/chrisjonespress/status/927839927542444033

irishbucsfan

Buer wrote: »

Not sure if that GIF is one of disgust or a demonstration of what Venjur does to the doll?

A Clint Newland doll?

I can imagine there is a lot of blowing involved

Buer

Not sure if that GIF is one of disgust or a demonstration of what Venjur does to the doll?

molloyjh

Deleted User wrote: »

No interest in the barbies, stick to my Clint Newland blow up love doll.

[Deleted User]

prawnsambo wrote: »

Tells us a lot about Venjur's online activities though. And offline ones of course.

No interest in the barbies, stick to my Clint Newland blow up love doll.

Burkie1203

connachta wrote: »

Your new Ken is Cooney. You should be very happy to have him

Cooney isnt in the Ulster academy

connachta

Burkie1203 wrote: »

jacothelad wrote: »

I see Ken didn't make it.....:D:P;)

Nucifora ordered Ken to leave.

Your new Ken is Cooney. You should be very happy to have him

Burkie1203

jacothelad wrote: »

I see Ken didn't make it.....:D:P;)

Nucifora ordered Ken to leave.

Burkie1203

jacothelad wrote: »

I see Ken didn't make it.....:D:P;)

Nucifora ordered Ken to leave.

jacothelad

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah - you can sign up for Ulsters one here:

I see Ken didn't make it.....:D:P;)

prawnsambo

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Thats low.

Tells us a lot about Venjur's online activities though. And offline ones of course.

Utah_Saint

Deleted User wrote: »

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

(do the other provinces even have genuine academies?)

Yeah - you can sign up for Ulsters one here:

Funny and devastatingly true. Talk about kicking a man while he's down!

Burkie1203

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yeah - you can sign up for Ulsters one here:

Thats low.

[Deleted User]

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

(do the other provinces even have genuine academies?)

Yeah - you can sign up for Ulsters one here:

The Rape of Lucretia

Deleted User wrote: »

Probably doesn't hurt that the academy lads are already familiar with the bulk of the senior Ireland squad coming from Leinster.

And the Leinster academy lads will form the bulk of the Ireland squad going forward anyway. Having academy players (do the other provinces even have genuine academies?) from from other provinces is starting to look like it would be unfair to any Leinster ones excluded.

[Deleted User]

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I've no idea what sort of HR minefield they have to trip over when bringing amateur lads in to train with professional athletes, but I'd imagine most of these decisions are just down to whatever causes the least hassle and cost

Probably doesn't hurt that the academy lads are already familiar with the bulk of the senior Ireland squad coming from Leinster.

prawnsambo

b.gud wrote: »

Is his brother Ross? Ye have too many Byrnes at Leinster

It's the Wicklow mafia piling in. You can't spit in any direction in Wicklow without hitting a Byrne.

[Deleted User]

molloyjh wrote: »

Probably. It's hard to know or quantify that though. I can't imagine they learn all that much more compared to what they'd be learning at the Academies. They are only spending a couple of days holding tackle bags and probably aren't running through the plays properly. At this stage the Academies should be professional enough for them to be learning almost as much and then actually repping the stuff so it sticks. If watching others was enough to make us better players then most of us here would be pretty damn good.

I know in my professional career that when I'm around someone better than me it's improved me long term even if that's spending a day in an office with them.

So when you have a group of young lads watching and soaking in the senior international experience they are getting at least two things that will benefit them long term
firstly: and this might seem stupid but that want to be there increases they have seen behind the curtain seen what the pinnacle of their sport is like and will want to be back there again. (Not saying any player at home doesn't have that drive but being there will surely amplify that)
Secondly: you can learn a lot in terms of attitude, how the seniors conduct themselves how they interact with coaches etc... You'll learn that over years of playing but seeing the likes of Stander, O Brien, Earls, Kearney, & Sexton, honing what they do while you hold a tackle bag can only be better than being among lads your own age

irishbucsfan

I've no idea what sort of HR minefield they have to trip over when bringing amateur lads in to train with professional athletes, but I'd imagine most of these decisions are just down to whatever causes the least hassle and cost

molloyjh

connemara man wrote: »

You are dead right in that it's convenience. But that geographic convenience gives those players access to an environment in which they can learn from different coaches and players. Which in turn aids their development which aids Leinster before it aids Ireland. It's the way it is for good reason but if you called any sub/academy player form around the country they would be there in a heartbeat.
This isn't outrage at them being there but if they were a mix from the 4 provinces it'd be more beneficial for those academies

Probably. It's hard to know or quantify that though. I can't imagine they learn all that much more compared to what they'd be learning at the Academies. They are only spending a couple of days holding tackle bags and probably aren't running through the plays properly. At this stage the Academies should be professional enough for them to be learning almost as much and then actually repping the stuff so it sticks. If watching others was enough to make us better players then most of us here would be pretty damn good.

[Deleted User]

molloyjh wrote: »

It can only open itself up to accusations of bias in as much as people want to ignore the pretty obvious logistical factors and just default straight to provincial outrage. Anyone willing to take a breath and look at the bigger picture will see it's a simple matter of convenience. Nothing more.

Although it is the internet, where the default setting is outrage anyway so......

You are dead right in that it's convenience. But that geographic convenience gives those players access to an environment in which they can learn from different coaches and players. Which in turn aids their development which aids Leinster before it aids Ireland. It's the way it is for good reason but if you called any sub/academy player form around the country they would be there in a heartbeat.
This isn't outrage at them being there but if they were a mix from the 4 provinces it'd be more beneficial for those academies

[Deleted User]

I really don't see why he'd give a toss about accusations of bias from a few internet loons. Leave them to it.

Bazzo

molloyjh wrote: »

It can only open itself up to accusations of bias in as much as people want to ignore the pretty obvious logistical factors and just default straight to provincial outrage. Anyone willing to take a breath and look at the bigger picture will see it's a simple matter of convenience. Nothing more.

Although it is the internet, where the default setting is outrage anyway so......

Rule 1 of PR, never expect people to be reasonable.