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Compulsory HCAP - Cancelled

Grizzly 45

Picked this up on an FB page from a local group of Munster deer hunters.So treat this as TOTALLY UNCONFIRMED..

As we know the newbies applying for a deer license for Jan 2018 season, will be required to do the HCAP or similar to be considered for a deer hunting license, and the rest of us will apparently have to do the HCAP within a fixed date within the next five years or so.This will be decided apparently by some sort of lottery system applied by NPWS. Don't do the HCAP within a certain timeframe, no deer hunting license for you lad/lady!

Considering this is coming from a state body that has been caught out on makey up law on things like; No Semi-autos are legal for deer hunting, You need 100 acres plus for a license, and .223 is perfectly legal for deer hunting here... You gotta ask is this legit or even plausible.The lad who posted this "claims" to have written an email to the dept and was informed that it's the ministers intent and will to follow this thru on a recommendation of the deer interest groups.:(: mad:

So , has anyone had this blip on their radar ?Or anything of the like? Can we get confirmation or denial of hostile intent?Going by my experience this year, I'd say the hostile intent is very possible, if not plausible.And if so, can we mount a campagin against this before January?

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Cass

Some ask why the opposition. Well here ya go. My reasons for opposing it.

The NPWS and Deer Alliance have no authority to introduce any mandatory courses.
There is no legislation in place to support this.
An SI (someone floated the idea) cannot supersede primary legislation, of which none exists (for this exact topic).
The HCAP was introduced for shooters on Coilte land. It is a CYA exercise.
The HCAP was written by deer stalkers so what are their qualifications? I don't mean 30, 40, 50 years shooting, i mean registered, verifiable, qualifications.
Coilte demand this cert, but what official recognition does it have (An Gardaí, DoJ, DoE, DoA.R.H.GA., etc)
Where does the money go? Even now, presently, who gets it and how is it spent?
Introducing proficiency as a prerequisite for a license is a dangerous precedence. How do you measure proficiency, what national standards are there, and who determines it's met (leads back to the qualifications of those deeming how proficient a person is).
It will not combat poaching.
Poaching is a criminal act, and those that do it are already breaking the law. How will further legislation stop those already intent on breaking the current laws?
More legislation is not needed, only enforcement of the current legislation which comes under the guise of more rangers and stronger punishment for those caught.
**This one is less factual and more emotive** I'ts my gun, licensed by An Gardaí who deem me competent, and private permissions given to me by land owners so the deer alliance have no say in what i do.

grassroot1

juice1304 wrote: »

Well maybe everyone else who graces gods earth is not as perfect and need the test so as not to injure themselves, others or the animal they are shooting. I have had close calls with "experienced hunters" several times, someone shooting right past my head while stalking because they saw a deer i was ten paces ahead of them.., ive seen people accidentally discharge not unloading climbing over a fence etc..
Many people are ignorant to what caliber they should be actually using instead of being sold whatever the local dealer has who himself may not have a clue..
The same goes for the type of ammunition people should use, or shot placement.
Also i am Irish and hunt in Ireland.
Like i have already said "If" it were run properly and was "free" it would be nothing but good. So please hold of on burning me at the stake.
And i don't see the great surprise to this in all fairness considering it is the same throughout Europe and is even mandatory in the land of the gun across the atlantic.

Please tell me how shooting at target range and answering 30 multiple choice questions will make the idiot that nearly shot you any safer?
Choice of caliber(we only get to use what we are let cant see that changing)
Shot placement(everyone has a different choice depending on conditions cant see anyone changing either)
Oh and I can assure you it will not be free!!!

Grizzly 45

Best Bitter wrote: »

. I am
sure that erveryone who passes the exam will have learned something new!

They sure as fuk won't learn anything worthwhile from that HCAP manual that's for sure! :rolleyes:
NEVER in my life seen such a badly put together teaching manual.:mad::mad:

Cass

Best Bitter wrote: »

Passing an exam is a prerequisite to being allowed to hunt in many European countries. Not like it is in Ireland, where anyone with a rifle can hunt on privately owned land after getting a licence.

Why the constant need to compare us to other countries? What works elsewhere does not mean it should be implemented here.

Obviously the issue for most people isn`t the "enormous financial impact" of maybe € 300 which sitting the exam might cost. Instead, it is a matter of wanting to continue doing something the way its previously been done.

I'm delighted you can makes snippy comments regarding €300. it's a lot of money for others.

We have a long, long history of fieldsport in this country and it was always passed down from generation to generation. Only in the last few years when people have registered businesses for shooting schools, "centres of excellence", and training facilities have the calls for such courses become more prevalent.

Funny that.

So everyone, let`s not complain and instead sit down and start stuying for the exam. I am sure that erveryone who passes the exam will have learned something new!

Wow.

Give in much. As was said above what association do you represent because as of now you have given reason for why these should be introduced only that the "sheeple" should get in line like good little boys.

juice1304 wrote: »

I found the standard of shooting to be quite shocking considering the majority of the shots were supported and all within 100m some of them were shooting three times..

Yup.

Fail the shooting part, take it again. Fail that, pay again, and go again. Repeat until you pass.

Congrats you're competent.

Also it should be called the HPAP as it has nothing to do with competence and judges your proficiency. Now they want to introduce proficiency into shooting, something that should be opposed at all costs.

juice1304 wrote: »

Well maybe everyone else who graces gods earth is not as perfect and need the test so as not to injure themselves, others or the animal they are shooting. I have had close calls with "experienced hunters" several times, someone shooting right past my head while stalking because they saw a deer i was ten paces ahead of them.., ive seen people accidentally discharge not unloading climbing over a fence etc..

How exactly would the HCAP address these as it doesn't cover them? Or were you referring tot he German test?

Many people are ignorant to what caliber they should be actually using instead of being sold whatever the local dealer has who himself may not have a clue..
The same goes for the type of ammunition people should use, or shot placement.

Shot placement perhaps, but none of the rest is covered in the HCAP.

And i don't see the great surprise to this in all fairness considering it is the same throughout Europe and is even mandatory in the land of the gun across the atlantic.

Again we do not need to keep looking to other countries to further restrict out shooting sports.

Jesus we've gone for hundreds of years without them and got on just fine. If someone wants to educate themselves some more then have at it, but the mandatory application of such courses is not going to address poaching, improve the standard, and will not stop as deer.

Grizzly 45

juice1304 wrote: »

Also find yourselves lucky in Germany it is €3000 to do the hunting licence with a 75% fail rate the majority of the courses are run over a six month period too and unless you own land yourself it is crazy money like 700 a hecter where i am at the moment, along with the fact that the hunter pays the farmer for any damage to the land, crops, equipment or fencing etc.. that the animals do throughout the year. A friend of mine had to pay out €20,000 last year from damage done by the wild boar.

You are being screwed!!
Go to the Ozzi states of former East Germany and you can do it within 30 days at a lot less than that.Also, it isn't comparing like and like at all.Seeing that first HCAP has a lot of German hunting test in it, that is total if not borderline relevant to irrevelant to Ireland.The reason the German hunting test is so detailed, they call it "the green Leaving cert"[Das Grune Abituer] is because hunting in Germany is a LIFESTYLE CHOICE, not a hobby.Shooting something in Germany is 5% of the entire hunting lifestyle, and because the Germans have a long and traditional hunting history and ethics as well as their own language for the hunt, something like 70% of that test takes up that time frame.

As you pointed out, yes it is needed in the USA for an annual hunting license.But have you seen the NRA hunter safety course.You can do it online and its FREE and you have your results back within seconds of completing each course segment.You then book in your state a day's practical course, which is more on GUN SAFETY while hunting, stroll and shoot some targets safely, and that's it.You are now a certified safe hunter and can apply online for your state hunting license.

THAT is how you do a hunting test these days.Not pay for a manual, which has blatant inaccuracy and is badly put together.Then wait six months to do a course in the middle of nowhere, go to a range, if you pass a multiple choice paper on paper[FFS this island wants to be ahead in the cyber world and attract
computor and internet companies here? PLLLEEEAAASSSSEE!!].Then drive to a range to shoot at ridiculous distances on a stationary target for 250 euros and other costs, so I can hunt?On Private property,where the owner doesn't give a fiddley for my paper qualifications? FUK THAT!!: mad::mad:

If this comes to fruition and there is a fair competition and open tender.I propose any such course could be done online for 30 euros and 100 euros at most for the actual shoot course which could be done in a DAY at Midlands Do the whole thing online at your own pace. 75% padding, time wasting and HCAP BS removed already.

Grizzly 45

cavan shooter wrote: »

could be running the courses for all you know...:rolleyes:

They have already been and done the course no doubt.Even Inspector Google late of AGS did it.:P
Change.org shared on FB and Firearmsunited Ireland.
Phone calls made to two prominent politicians. One wants to meet tomorrow.

yubabill1

dto001 wrote: »

https://www.change.org/p/heather-stop-the-hcap-becoming-mandatory-for-deer-hunting

17 signatures including mine.

dto001

juice1304 wrote: »

dto001 wrote: »

You are saying that knowing about diseases is not about field craft that i will have to disagree with you on.
I'm not saying I know it all at all but as you are saying everything that is run in Ireland....... and if this gets through it will end up a money maker for these organisations and the time to stop is now not in a couple of years when everyone say ''o s*@te we shouldn't have let that happen then and my kids are saying why do I have to pay for all this when you didn't!!!
If the world was a perfect place all these "good ideas" would be workable but unfortunately common sense does not prevail anymore but greed does!!!

You are saying that knowing about diseases is not about field craft that i will have to disagree with you on.
I'm not saying I know it all at all but as you are saying everything that is run in Ireland....... and if this gets through it will end up a money maker for these organisations and the time to stop is now not in a couple of years when everyone say ''o s*@te we shouldn't have let that happen then and my kids are saying why do I have to pay for all this when you didn't!!!
If the world was a perfect place all these "good ideas" would be workable but unfortunately common sense does not prevail anymore but greed does!!!

Im saying it is not like in England or Germany where you have to do a hunting apprenticeship and have to go out with other hunters who actually teach you everything in the field. Which would take away your chance to teach your young lad. Where as in ireland you answer a list of questions that can be learned off in ten minutes.

For now its a list of questions that can be learned off in ten minutes next it'll be meat handling course then it'll we you have to be a member of a society and on and on. There are simply too many money making opportunities. I actually Learned from an experienced hunter aka my father which was kind of like an apprenticeship.
I do not object anyone trying to learn or teach others its just it is becoming a money racket at this point as we had a couple of months ago with the night shooting it was the same crowd protecting their own!!

juice1304

dto001 wrote: »

You are saying that knowing about diseases is not about field craft that i will have to disagree with you on.
I'm not saying I know it all at all but as you are saying everything that is run in Ireland....... and if this gets through it will end up a money maker for these organisations and the time to stop is now not in a couple of years when everyone say ''o s*@te we shouldn't have let that happen then and my kids are saying why do I have to pay for all this when you didn't!!!
If the world was a perfect place all these "good ideas" would be workable but unfortunately common sense does not prevail anymore but greed does!!!

You are saying that knowing about diseases is not about field craft that i will have to disagree with you on.
I'm not saying I know it all at all but as you are saying everything that is run in Ireland....... and if this gets through it will end up a money maker for these organisations and the time to stop is now not in a couple of years when everyone say ''o s*@te we shouldn't have let that happen then and my kids are saying why do I have to pay for all this when you didn't!!!
If the world was a perfect place all these "good ideas" would be workable but unfortunately common sense does not prevail anymore but greed does!!!

Im saying it is not like in England or Germany where you have to do a hunting apprenticeship and have to go out with other hunters who actually teach you everything in the field. Which would take away your chance to teach your young lad. Where as in ireland you answer a list of questions that can be learned off in ten minutes.

juice1304

grassroot1 wrote: »

Yes but you are in Germany and we are in Ireland.
I shoot by the good graces of my neighbours I dont need a test or an exam. There are plenty of good books on stalking and deer management. I can zero my rifle at anytime I dont need anyone to hold my hand.
What exactly will a made up course do for me or my sport?

Well maybe everyone else who graces gods earth is not as perfect and need the test so as not to injure themselves, others or the animal they are shooting. I have had close calls with "experienced hunters" several times, someone shooting right past my head while stalking because they saw a deer i was ten paces ahead of them.., ive seen people accidentally discharge not unloading climbing over a fence etc..
Many people are ignorant to what caliber they should be actually using instead of being sold whatever the local dealer has who himself may not have a clue..
The same goes for the type of ammunition people should use, or shot placement.
Also i am Irish and hunt in Ireland.
Like i have already said "If" it were run properly and was "free" it would be nothing but good. So please hold of on burning me at the stake.
And i don't see the great surprise to this in all fairness considering it is the same throughout Europe and is even mandatory in the land of the gun across the atlantic.

dto001

juice1304 wrote: »

The course has nothing to do with fieldcraft it is a shooting exam and a test to see if you can identify potential diseases and where to shoot the deer along with basic law in relation to hunting deer.
I have nothing to do with any of these organizations nor would i as i have seen how they are all run like everything in Ireland it is usually a bunch of idiots looking for control.
However, i will say in a sense the test is not a bad idea. I already did the HCAP a few years ago simply to have it. And while at the tests there were many many "expert deer stalkers" there who of course knew it all up until the point they had to tick the few multiple choice question and shoot the few shots.
I found the standard of shooting to be quite shocking considering the majority of the shots were supported and all within 100m some of them were shooting three times..
I think how it will end up with one of these groups running **** courses is a shame, but if it were done right and not at a crazy cost the idea is good.
If it was done how it is done in America it would be great.
Also find yourselves lucky in Germany it is €3000 to do the hunting licence with a 75% fail rate the majority of the courses are run over a six month period too and unless you own land yourself it is crazy money like 700 a hecter where i am at the moment, along with the fact that the hunter pays the farmer for any damage to the land, crops, equipment or fencing etc.. that the animals do throughout the year. A friend of mine had to pay out €20,000 last year from damage done by the wild boar.

You are saying that knowing about diseases is not about field craft that i will have to disagree with you on.
I'm not saying I know it all(probably far from it) but what makes them any better?
As you are saying everything that is run in Ireland....... and if this gets through it will end up a money maker for these organisations and the time to stop is now not in a couple of years when everyone say ''o s*@te we shouldn't have let that happen then and my kids are saying why do I have to pay for all this when you didn't!!!
If the world was a perfect place all these "good ideas" would be workable but unfortunately common sense does not prevail anymore but greed does!!!
In relation to bad shooting in every country there are bad shots it could be just that you were on with a bad crew or nerves is a good one as people watching doesn't help!
Excuse all the reposts not sure what happened:(

grassroot1

juice1304 wrote: »

The course has nothing to do with fieldcraft it is a shooting exam and a test to see if you can identify potential diseases and where to shoot the deer along with basic law in relation to hunting deer.
I have nothing to do with any of these organizations nor would i as i have seen how they are all run like everything in Ireland it is usually a bunch of idiots looking for control.
However, i will say in a sense the test is not a bad idea. I already did the HCAP a few years ago simply to have it. And while at the tests there were many many "expert deer stalkers" there who of course knew it all up until the point they had to tick the few multiple choice question and shoot the few shots.
I found the standard of shooting to be quite shocking considering the majority of the shots were supported and all within 100m some of them were shooting three times..
I think how it will end up with one of these groups running **** courses is a shame, but if it were done right and not at a crazy cost the idea is good.
If it was done how it is done in America it would be great.
Also find yourselves lucky in Germany it is €3000 to do the hunting licence with a 75% fail rate the majority of the courses are run over a six month period too and unless you own land yourself it is crazy money like 700 a hecter where i am at the moment, along with the fact that the hunter pays the farmer for any damage to the land, crops, equipment or fencing etc.. that the animals do throughout the year. A friend of mine had to pay out €20,000 last year from damage done by the wild boar.

Yes but you are in Germany and we are in Ireland.
I shoot by the good graces of my neighbours I dont need a test or an exam. There are plenty of good books on stalking and deer management. I can zero my rifle at anytime I dont need anyone to hold my hand.
What exactly will a made up course do for me or my sport?

grassroot1

Best Bitter wrote: »

The comments posted on this forum,"MANDATORY CERTIFICATION FOR DEER HUNTERS" really are surprising.

I welcome this decision, it was long overdue!!!

Passing an exam is a prerequisite to being allowed to hunt in many European countries. Not
like it is in Ireland, where anyone with a rifle can hunt on privately owned land after getting
a licence.
Obviously the issue for most people isn`t the "enormous financial impact" of maybe € 300
which sitting the exam might cost. Instead, it is a matter of wanting to continue doing
something the way its previously been done.

So everyone, let`s not complain and instead sit down and start stuying for the exam. I am
sure that erveryone who passes the exam will have learned something new!

Another "brilliant" first post at exactly the right time!!!

juice1304

The course has nothing to do with fieldcraft it is a shooting exam and a test to see if you can identify potential diseases and where to shoot the deer along with basic law in relation to hunting deer.
I have nothing to do with any of these organizations nor would i as i have seen how they are all run like everything in Ireland it is usually a bunch of idiots looking for control.
However, i will say in a sense the test is not a bad idea. I already did the HCAP a few years ago simply to have it. And while at the tests there were many many "expert deer stalkers" there who of course knew it all up until the point they had to tick the few multiple choice question and shoot the few shots.
I found the standard of shooting to be quite shocking considering the majority of the shots were supported and all within 100m some of them were shooting three times..
I think how it will end up with one of these groups running **** courses is a shame, but if it were done right and not at a crazy cost the idea is good.
If it was done how it is done in America it would be great.
Also find yourselves lucky in Germany it is €3000 to do the hunting licence with a 75% fail rate the majority of the courses are run over a six month period too and unless you own land yourself it is crazy money like 700 a hecter where i am at the moment, along with the fact that the hunter pays the farmer for any damage to the land, crops, equipment or fencing etc.. that the animals do throughout the year. A friend of mine had to pay out €20,000 last year from damage done by the wild boar.

dto001

Best Bitter wrote: »

The comments posted on this forum,"MANDATORY CERTIFICATION FOR DEER HUNTERS" really are surprising.

I welcome this decision, it was long overdue!!!

Passing an exam is a prerequisite to being allowed to hunt in many European countries. Not
like it is in Ireland, where anyone with a rifle can hunt on privately owned land after getting
a licence.
Obviously the issue for most people isn`t the "enormous financial impact" of maybe € 300
which sitting the exam might cost. Instead, it is a matter of wanting to continue doing
something the way its previously been done.

So everyone, let`s not complain and instead sit down and start stuying for the exam. I am
sure that erveryone who passes the exam will have learned something new!

This is you opinion and you are welcome to it but then why does it have to be forced through. You are more than welcome to take the test if that what you wish but I have been hunting deer (with my father) since i was 7 years of age I do not know everything probably not half of it but why should someone who has decided to write a course in 2006 think that they know more than me (maybe they do) but who trained them??? The expense this would add to me to shoot 6-8 deer for the pot every year would stop me altogether!!
Also as its the EU and you think we should be the same as them all why aren't courses from other European countries accepted?
As was mentioned above where will it stop? It won't because it set precedent and everyone will jump on the band wagon next we'll have to do a special course on how to shoot pigeons!!!
Why also has this not been voted on by all people involved in the sport not just a couple of people in a society? especially ones which try to stop people shooting at night to keep their part of the sport safe but to hell with the others
Why should I not be allowed teach my kids how to hunt deer? The Gun safety side has already been taken care of as all new licensees have to have completed a safety course before they can get a gun license.So the field craft should be allowed to be taught by me and if they want to take the course then fine that is their choice.
In what way does it protect the sport? is it going to stop poaching? Is it going to stop bad practices? I doubt any of this will happen but one crowd will make a lot of money and this will probably all disappear in a couple of years on fact finding missions and we will still have the same problems.
Why not lobby for 40 years to get extra rangers/funding for the NPWS?
its bad enough that shooting sport is declining without trying to kill it altogether!

Uinseann_16

Best Bitter wrote: »

The comments posted on this forum,"MANDATORY CERTIFICATION FOR DEER HUNTERS" really are surprising.

I welcome this decision, it was long overdue!!!

Passing an exam is a prerequisite to being allowed to hunt in many European countries. Not
like it is in Ireland, where anyone with a rifle can hunt on privately owned land after getting
a licence.
Obviously the issue for most people isn`t the "enormous financial impact" of maybe € 300
which sitting the exam might cost. Instead, it is a matter of wanting to continue doing
something the way its previously been done.

So everyone, let`s not complain and instead sit down and start stuying for the exam. I am
sure that erveryone who passes the exam will have learned something new!

For some 300 Euro is a lot that is half the price of my 308 and scope which i bought for my first season deer shooting this year im still in school and its a fair bit of money for me to be handing out and it is a huge financial impact on me that is 300 euro less for ammo and gear which means less shooting time for me why? Just because a select few want to line their pockets or force the ordinary man out of the sport? I think that is bullsh!t

gunny123

Best Bitter wrote: »

The comments posted on this forum,"MANDATORY CERTIFICATION FOR DEER HUNTERS" really are surprising.

I welcome this decision, it was long overdue!!!

Passing an exam is a prerequisite to being allowed to hunt in many European countries. Not
like it is in Ireland, where anyone with a rifle can hunt on privately owned land after getting
a licence.
Obviously the issue for most people isn`t the "enormous financial impact" of maybe € 300
which sitting the exam might cost. Instead, it is a matter of wanting to continue doing
something the way its previously been done.

So everyone, let`s not complain and instead sit down and start stuying for the exam. I am
sure that erveryone who passes the exam will have learned something new!

Who are you ? What deer org are you fronting ?

Best Bitter

The comments posted on this forum,"MANDATORY CERTIFICATION FOR DEER HUNTERS" really are surprising.

I welcome this decision, it was long overdue!!!

Passing an exam is a prerequisite to being allowed to hunt in many European countries. Not
like it is in Ireland, where anyone with a rifle can hunt on privately owned land after getting
a licence.
Obviously the issue for most people isn`t the "enormous financial impact" of maybe € 300
which sitting the exam might cost. Instead, it is a matter of wanting to continue doing
something the way its previously been done.

So everyone, let`s not complain and instead sit down and start stuying for the exam. I am
sure that erveryone who passes the exam will have learned something new!

dto001

https://www.change.org/p/heather-stop-the-hcap-becoming-mandatory-for-deer-hunting

cavan shooter

gunny123 wrote: »

Do the deer poachers have to pass this exam too ?

could be running the courses for all you know...:rolleyes:

dto001

Email sent to the minister:)

Sika98k

cavan shooter wrote: »

I got this as an e mail from Countryside alliance, so dont think its a rumour anymore:

http://countrysideallianceireland.org/ie/shooting/mandatory-certification-for-deer-hunters-from-1st-january-2018?utm_campaign=197068_MANDATORY%20CERTIFICATION%20FOR%20DEER%20HUNTERS%20FROM%201st%20JANUARY%202018&utm_medium=dotmailer&utm_source=Countryside%20Alliance&dm_i=44G9,4824,1MJ8JH,GGJ8,1

I had a quick read of that. "Will be required ". By whom exactly ? NPWS ? Private landowners ? Your insurance company ? Say it often and loud enough and it becomes Gospel.

Grizzly 45

Was just looking at my Buck Knife and thought of this as a campaign or whatever slogan? Buck = deer or money??...

270WIN

IMO the WDAOI have a lot to answer for all this crap.. They have pushed membership on anyone who loves looking at photos of bambi...i bet lots of their membership never shot a deer in their life..now they are an authority on all things deer. The top table there have designs on making deer stalking here the very same as the UK (a sport for the select few) They want the ordinary lad with a 243 and a few permissions out of the sport so that the select few (themselves and their cronies) can control everything. The days of free stalking are numbered.

Grizzly 45

meathstevie wrote: »

A

If we all need to pass an exam I suggest that the minister publishes an invitation to tender with the conditions attached very swiftly. If this is supposed to start in eight weeks it'll have to be done at the speed of light. Since this will involve amounts of money far in excess of the threshold to not go public it's actually already impossible to start this from January 2018.
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BEWARE THE DAIL XMAS BREAK!
How many bills are rushed thru with the whip and guillotine, not even a quarter discussed and debated, before the overworked dears must rush off to deal with their constituency matters in a four-week long break over Christmas?
Remember the rod license war in the 1980s?It started just like a situation like this and this time period of the year..Another reason I hate Christmas!:mad:

Cass

I was looking at some comments elsewhere and i find it, well i won't say surprising, interesting that some see this as unimportant, not a problem, and a tiny few think it's a good idea. It got me thinking. I wonder if those thinking it's alright have considered this. Bear with me:

2018 - Mandatory HCAP
2019 - Mandatory trained hunter course
2019 - "Refresher" courses every 3 years
2020 - Mandatory night time shooting license
2020 - Mandatory night shooting proficiency course
2021 - Graduated licensing
2021 - Mandatory Pheasant license
2022 - Mandatory Duck license
2023 - Vermin license

Now couple all the above with this:

2018 - Anyone with no HCAP (or no range membership) cannot have "deer legal" firearm (so goodbye 220 swift up to 300 winmag for anyone with one already)
2019 - Failure to complete course means loss of firearm and hunting license
2020 - Anyone without a night shooting license/course looses their firearm (Goodbye 22lr, 17hme, 22wmr, .204 and on up to 223, etc)
2020 - Anyone without a license cannot hold a shotgun (unless part of a clay range)
2021 - Anyone that cannot pass the graduated licensing tests cannot get the gun they actually need/want so are stuck on say a 22lr. With no reason for 22lr they loose it.
2023 - Anyone with no vermin license looses their firearm (goodbye to everything that is left).

Now the person that thought the mandatory deer course (HCAP) was no big deal finds themselves in 5 years sitting at home watching the great british bakeoff wondering where their sport went.

In the meantime hundreds of thousands, dare i say millions, of Euro have been paid out by the few thousand willing and able to pay for all the fees, courses, training, licenses, etc over the years.

Where does that money go? Those running the courses don't do it for free so they'll get some. The various bodies such as the NPWS, well they cannot get funding for a toothbrush as it is, and i've yet to see direct investment from "taxation" in anything in this country, so nothing improves there. If it goes to the Dept then it's gobbled up and spat out as some new Gallery for painting with toilet brushes so no help there.

The cycle continues until the few thousand left in any part of the sport cannot be bothered or afford it anymore. As numbers drop off so to does the various sports that are/were left.

By 2030 were all playing golf and it starts all over again. Smaller "caliber" golf balls, anything over a 3 iron is restricted, reduced club limits (no more than 10 clubs), only playing the front nine as the back nine is off limits from Sept to March, etc, etc.

God i love this country. Bad enough our politicians do us without vaseline, but our own come in for sloppy seconds. (excuse the vulgarity, a little miffed at this whole thing).

Grizzly 45

Minister for arts, culture, Gaeltacht,[nature&stuff:P]-heather.humphreys@oir.ie

Constituency Offices
Unit 2, Mall Road,
Co.Monaghan,
Ireland.
Eircode: H18 X282
Tel: 047-71911 || Fax: 047-71912
E-mail: heather.humphreys@oir.ie
79 Market Street,
Cootehill,
Co. Cavan,
Ireland.
Eircode: H16 E681
Tel: (049) 555 5501

NPWS liscensing
Email: wildlifelicence@ahg.gov.ie
Tel: (01) 888 3298 or (01) 888 3275 or (01) 888 3249

Deer Alliance,
P.O. Box 1,
Borris,
Co. Carlow.

Phone Number 086 1927 845
Email Address deeralliance@gmail.com
Email Address www.deeralliance.ie

Just noticed something about the deer alliance...NO DATA PROTECTION NOTICE OR STATEMENT ON PRIVACY on their website.Handling personal information, and what they do with it naughty, naughty.They don't seem to come up as a regd entity with the Data protection office website either?

WDAI
:+353 (0)87 2496987
Email: wilddeerireland@gmail.com Facebook and Twitter accounts as well.

gunny123

Do the deer poachers have to pass this exam too ?

dto001

Does anyone have the relevant email addresses?

Grizzly 45

Fact...Should strike while the iron is hot..some phone calls and emails en masse are required again..Yes, it is a PITFA to have to do this yet again.But compared to putting 250 euros in someone's pocket without seeing one red cent of it going back into the sport..I'd rather burn it on my phone and internet bill thanks very much...