Mrwhite1970 wrote: » If the asti proposes strike action with or without the other unions then I shall vote yes.
deiseindublin wrote: » I can't get my head around you voting Yes to this crock of s**t but prepared to vote Yes to strike. You nearly didn't give the ASTI the opportunity to have a ballot for strike. Btw - I get that you want to stop the piss arsing around, that's fair enough, but I don't get advocating a Yes to a crap agreement, therefore vetoing a ballot if new agreement was passed.
Mrwhite1970 wrote: » :rolleyes: Well to be honest I still dont see the ASTI and its members getting their act together -with or without the TUI. We had a dream team last year in headquarters and it still didnt happen. So when I voted YES it was on the basis of not trusting the leadership or the members/ They would make the grand old duke of york blush. Cowards run in the ASTI family. However-hope- that bastard- rises in me like a young fella with only ten minutes to closing in coppers . So if the three unions unite ,I would back that move. Even a two union strike would do. However I would not place a bet on this occurring and yes I occasionally gamble. If I was really cynical I would place a sizable bet on it NOT happening. A two union strike. Members have ran from the strike option like a john who discovers his favorite hooker has VD.:p:p I would not be terribly optimistic. Its now out of our hands-lets see what the executives do. Im sure my post is fertile ground for virtue signalers!
Sir123 wrote: » I've said it before and I think I'll need to say it again. Voting YES is treachery... this deal had nothing for teachers. In fact it actually makes a lot of their lives worse... erosion erosion erosion... (Pay and Conditions, including single pension scheme, extremely inferior). I was actually shocked at how close this deal was, but it was still a NO and must be respected by all.. We cannot live in a society that differentiates between teachers and public servants based on the year they qualified. There are plenty of people that are starting off in the private sector that I know, that have no education past their leaving cert, and they are still coming out with more money than me every two weeks.. There's something wrong there when you see this kinda thing. A long strike is the only way to resolve this issue as the government don't really care about education in this country anymore.. It's detoriating as we speak.
Mrwhite1970 wrote: » If that really is the situation with leaving cert qualified jobs getting more money then the shortage will get worse and that will aid equality but we are all in agreement about a long strike needed . I'm not terribly optimistic of that happening and attacking me for spelling out the truth won't change that bit hey I'm cheaper than therapy ! And you wonder why almost 50% of members voted yes and I'm the only poster who admits so? You need to stop with the court martial stuff about treachery and what not and get off your arses and convince people . Sloganeering and false statistics won't do it
Sir123 wrote: » I couldn't agree more with what deiseindublin has said. Tbh, it will be interesting to see how CEC pans out in terms of resuming strike action etc. We need to be out before Christmas along with the other unions as these so called "talks" are never going to come to anything. Our NO vote must be respected and to hell with "special conventions", ridiculous altogether. P.S. I might sound very militant, but I feel that our terms and conditions will continue to be eroded if we don't stand up for ourselves.
kala85 wrote: Regional , county by county strike is the way to go.
kala85 wrote: One county go out one day for a month and repeat it. Means the protest goes on for a month but the teachers are only out on one days strike.
Mrwhite1970 wrote: » There won't be any quick removal of FEMPI because all parties realise how useful it is keeping us in check. I think the unions have a year to sort this out after that Brexit will start to be a real factor. The British economy will continue to decline and that will affect Ireland. We are a small open economy with a large amount of national debt . We can argue about the reasons for some of that debt but it ain't going away soon . Thus if Brexit starts to bite and I believe it will soon, you can kiss equality or partial equality goodbye Across the entire dept of education the current situation saves about 70m but there is no exact figure for teachers but let's say 50m and that figure will be important if budget figures collapse which they might if Brexit bites hard I think the teacher shortage will get worse and Brutons latest wheeze of quick qualification is just the start of fruitless initiatives that won't deliver. One year to make progress
kala85 wrote: » Regional , county by county strike is the way to go. One county go out one day for a month and repeat it. Means the protest goes on for a month but the teachers are only out on one days strike. Also non cooperation with croke park hours as and from January. At least that is a saving in terms of child care etc, and if the teachers were to stop doing croke park the rest of the public sector will be looking on. We are also out of financial emergency and the femi legislation which imposes the pension levy is now illegal and should be challenged in the courts.why hasn't this been done?
judeboy101 wrote: » One county a day, not a month. That way its continuous in the media and in ppls faces. At most you lose 4 days pay tween Jan and June but it would cause chaos.
Mrwhite1970 wrote: » From what I hear asti will definitely be balloted on LR one because technically we never entered that agreement we just suspended action.The ballot is to avoid us being penalised for LR one and two -assuming we take industrial action against lR 2 .The into and tui can't be penalised for LR one as they accepted it. I find the above confusing myself as I thought new agreements de facto take in old agreements but the man who told me that is a reliable source
km79 wrote: » Ballots about old agreements now Jaysus People are worn out with it all now
judeboy101 wrote: » Re ballot on LR1 was rejected and lifting of suspension of IA was rejected.
km79 wrote: » So what’s the plan going forward ?
Sir123 wrote: » I'm getting the impression that ASTI are going to participate in talks with the INTO and the TUI up to around January/February. It is then that the unions may decide to all take action together. I suppose this may be a better senario. Play the government at their own game. Then the New Year approaches, we are penalised for not signing up to LRA2, we wait a few weeks and then we strike. Pre exams are disrupted, orals disrupted etc. This may be the only way to do it because the talks are going to prove useless when they conclude, if they ever do. They will be dragged on for as long as the government can hold. I personally thought that ASTI suspension of industrial action may be lifted, buy holding on and waiting for the other teacher unions can ensure we are all in this together, provided the INTO and TUI don't let us down, which they have done in the past unfortunately.
