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Are we over the annual poppy thread?

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Do we need it anymore, is it time to allow Irish people to wear whatever they want?

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FrancieBrady

Jawgap wrote: »

.....amply demonstrating that most of us can get on and get past history - remembering it, doesn't mean being bound by it.

If people want to wear a poppy or a lilly or a fuschia let them.....likewise if they want to forego wearing any such symbols of contributing to the organisations behind them, eaqualky, let them.

And if people wish to criticise the wearing of a poppy...is that allowed in Jawgap's Brave New World?

Timberrrrrrrr

munsterlegend wrote: »

It's a complete joke that footballers are wheeled out wearing what is a political emblem. Let politicians wear them if they so wish. If you look at the majority of normal folk living in the U.K. most of them don't wear it anyway.

McClean is atypical of a professional footballer and has a mind of his own. Anyone who disputes his right not to wear it is either clueless as to his background or a fascist.

Really?

I'm sitting outside a coffee shop in a small town in the UK at the moment, decided after reading your post to count how many I could see, in 10 minutes 67 people walked past me (adults, I'm not including children) and 43 of them have poppies on.

There are also sellers across from.me outside a boots chemist who are doing roaring trade so to be honest your statement is wrong.

Jawgap

Deleted User wrote: »

Agreed. But i remain puzzled as to why you would therefore raise the notion of him playing what you called a ‘foreign sport’ and then conflating it re McClean and his stance on the poppy.

Just plumbing the depths of his apparent principles.

Jawgap

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And if people wish to criticise the wearing of a poppy...is that allowed in Jawgap's Brave New World?

I could explain why it is and why I think it's important that it should be so, but you'd need to be conversant with the ideas that define civil discourse to understand where I'm coming from, so let's not waste both our time in this point.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Jawgap wrote: »

I'm sure the usual suspects will be along with the usual rants to re-educate you.

I think there might be scope for a bit of an ol' drinking game......each post that mentions 'butcher' 'colonial/colony' 'traitor' 'foreign war' etc take a sip of tea.....

......dunk a digestive when any of the jackpot words are mentioned 'shoneen' 'cringe'

"Scraps from the imperialist table" - finish your drink and get another one.

FrancieBrady

Jawgap wrote: »

I could explain why it is and why I think it's important that it should be so, but you'd need to be conversant with the ideas that define civil discourse to understand where I'm coming from, so let's not waste both our time in this point.

You 'could explain why it (criticism) is allowed...but you won't. Excellent.

munsterlegend

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Really?

I'm sitting outside a coffee shop in a small town in the UK at the moment, decided after reading your post to count how many I could see, in 10 minutes 67 people walked past me (adults, I'm not including children) and 43 of them have poppies on.

There are also sellers across from.me outside a boots chemist who are doing roaring trade so to be honest your statement is wrong.

Depends what uk town you are in. Looking at villa West Brom on the tv and vast majority in the crowd not wearing any. Great to see you are having a productive Sunday counting lads wearing poppies!

[Deleted User]

Jawgap wrote: »

Just plumbing the depths of his apparent principles.

His ‘apparent principles’? Don’t you believe him? Are people allowed to support his stance on the poppy and also considered not to be bound by history, in this case Irish history?

tomwaterford

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

count how many I could see, in 10 minutes 67 people walked past me (adults, I'm not including children) and 43 of them have poppies on.
.

Any descent looking wimminz

munsterlegend

[Deleted User] wrote: »

His ‘apparent principles’? Don’t you believe him? Are people allowed to support his stance on the poppy and also considered not to be bound by history, in this case Irish history?

He obviously has an issue with McClean who had made hard principled choices. He declared for us when the easy thing to do would have been to continue playing for the north and will not wear a poppy which is against the grain.

Timberrrrrrrr

munsterlegend wrote: »

Depends what uk town you are in. Looking at villa West Brom on the tv and vast majority in the crowd not wearing any. Great to see you are having a productive Sunday counting lads wearing poppies!

Well i work hard all week so yes that's about as productive the hungover me wants to be on a Sunday ðŸ˜Š

Timberrrrrrrr

tomwaterford wrote: »

Any descent looking wimminz

Some beautiful ones

Some fecking ugly ones too though :pac:

Elmer Blooker

munsterlegend wrote: »

Looking at villa West Brom on the tv and vast majority in the crowd not wearing any.

The match must be dire - its Birmingham v Villa.

blueser

tomwaterford wrote: »

Any descent looking wimminz

Cue "going down" gags!

Jawgap

munsterlegend wrote: »

He obviously has an issue with McClean who had made hard principled choices. He declared for us when the easy thing to do would have been to continue playing for the north and will not wear a poppy which is against the grain.

I've no issue with McLean. I just wonder why he chooses to ply his trade in a league and for a club that makes such a deal over the wearing/not wearing the poppy?

Jawgap

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You 'could explain why it (criticism) is allowed...but you won't. Excellent.

Would that I had the vocabulary to explain it in words of a single syllable, but I don't, so there it must stay.

tomwaterford

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Some beautiful ones

Some fecking ugly ones too though :pac:

I wish that lad what spams AH was here right now :pac:

munsterlegend

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

The match must be dire - its Birmingham v Villa.

Haha yeah it was - all the Albion talk with mr McClean.

munsterlegend

Jawgap wrote: »

I've no issue with McLean. I just wonder why he chooses to ply his trade in a league and for a club that makes such a deal over the wearing/not wearing the poppy?

It's only one week a year. The question should be why is there such an uproar that he doesn't wear it? Was ww2 not about defending democracy and freedom of choice?

Most Irish professional soccer players go to either England or Scotland. The premier league is usually the highest most make.

FrancieBrady

munsterlegend wrote: »

It's only one week a year. The question should be why is there such an uproar that he doesn't wear it? Was ww2 not about defending democracy and freedom of choice?

Most Irish professional soccer players go to either England or Scotland. The premier league is usually the highest most make.

It's a provision of the Brave New World that if you disagree with one aspect of a culture that you must leave, it seems.

Jawgap

munsterlegend wrote: »

It's only one week a year. The question should be why is there such an uproar that he doesn't wear it? Was ww2 not about defending democracy and freedom of choice?

Most Irish professional soccer players go to either England or Scotland. The premier league is usually the highest most make.

Really? I thought it started over the right of small countries to exist as independent entities in their own right and finished being about the establishment/re-estabishment of certain empires and hegemonies?

But I could be wrong.

Mutant z

No self respecting Irish person should have anything to do with this, i salute James McClean for refusing to pander to the poppy fascists.

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I'm just amazed that both sides are ratteling off the same old arguments as last year, with a splash of those from the years preceding that.

somefeen

We had a thread about the clocks going back which somehow turned into a heated discussion on the use of term 'British Isles".

I think its safe to say the poppy thread will be back.

OldMrBrennan83

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[Deleted User]

Jawgap wrote: »

I could explain why it is and why I think it's important that it should be so, but you'd need to be conversant with the ideas that define civil discourse to understand where I'm coming from

hehe. My oh my, the "civility" of your bubble is impressive. If others here could be conversant with the ideas that define civil behaviour they wouldn't defend the thugs and thuggery of the British Empire and would, if they want to commemorate, commemorate the victims of that thuggery rather than its perpetrators.

So much for "civility" and moral superiority.

Jawgap wrote: »

Would that I had the vocabulary to explain it in words of a single syllable, but I don't, so there it must stay.

It's amazing how with all your supposed intellectual superiority you're reduced to defending the tribal imperialist commemorative symbol that is the British poppy and telling the natives they're wrong to challenge such commemoration and indeed the entire racist British historical "white man's burden" narrative that underpins it.

A Little Pony

Wear mine with pride who served our country and will continue to do so. Don't care if it offends people.

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It’s great that we don’t have a thread on the poppy this year.

A Little Pony

Mutant z wrote: »

No self respecting Irish person should have anything to do with this, i salute James McClean for refusing to pander to the poppy fascists.

Hundreds of thousands do every year, me included. Deal with it.

OldMrBrennan83

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